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I've just seen that this 911 GT2 made £1,848,000 at auction - sturggling to work out how it's worth anything like this - anybody got a answer other than "its market value"?

http://rmsothebys.com/lf16/london/lots/ ... t2/1082305
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Think madness has moved dates
The crazy prices were 80's 90's stuff
The 70's cars were sold at about the expected rate. 460 k for RST
What do these people do with these newer cars?Baffles me.
The awful Pre A Speedster for restoration made 235 K .
It will be total rebuild with lots of new parts required.
Didn't get it.At least the restoration merchants will charge 150 k plus to sort it.
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Looks like one billionaire American bought most of them up. Mint one owner, original paint, stupid low mileage cars for the portfolio.

Money is not a factor in purchasing them. It was specific cars that were 'wanted'. Petty cash....


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At Goodwood Revival Saturday: Porsche 550RS Spyder sold for nearly £4.6 million

Sold for £4,593,500 inc. premium which is said to be a world record for the model. Further info in links below for those interested in details:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/classic ... r--millio/

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23595/l ... sults&m8=8

http://www.bonhams.com/press_release/22384/

Being unmolested, well preserved example seemed to be factors in this case. Doubt anyone will do a nut and bolt bare metal restoration and destroy the patina/originality on this example, hopefully....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19349921
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To some, that's not a massive amount .. And where are you going to get another unrestored 550 ? Arguably better value than the 993 gt2 ?
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Some datapoints courtesy of HAGI regarding marketplace for people who like numbers and so forth (presumably including the Monterey and other summer events)

"The HAGI P Index is measuring the rare Porsche automobile market: Percent change +1.13 this month; ytd - 1.51 percent ytd

HAGI P inception values £100 on 31.12.2008, index for Aug 2016 is 328.04.

Exceptional collector's cars continue to achieve fair market prices across all marques and models. Furthermore road cars produced in higher volumes have been subject to very selective buying only while we observed significant price penalties for incomplete or compromised examples."

Source http://www.historicautogroup.com
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What does that last post mean?

As soon as people mention investment and yield run the other way.

Cars should be bought as toys and people who consider them investment are crazy.
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Well said John !
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john ruston wrote:What does that last post mean?

As soon as people mention investment and yield run the other way.

Cars should be bought as toys and people who consider them investment are crazy.
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I remember not too long ago circa 2012 being offered a 993 GT2 for £300k, how values have risen. Incredible
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markm wrote:I remember not too long ago circa 2012 being offered a 993 GT2 for £300k, how values have risen. Incredible
But not all GT2's are worth 1.8m Mark. Just this one was....most would be half that at BEST. So £300k-700k is probably about right and in line with everything else similar
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