F1 is dead

Luke · Post by **Luke** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:59 pm

Well it looks like the new rules/regs are coming out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 948455.stm

apart from the removal of the points system which will completley disincentivise any of the minnow teams even turning up for races (why bother if you get zero points and are never likley to win), capping the budget at 30million means development will practically cease. You can't develop a new front wing for less than a million these days...

Ah well, time to switch to Moto GP....

markm · Post by **markm** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:01 pm

Favours Ferrari more and more, wonder how much Bernie got paid for this change

Ferry Man · Post by **Ferry Man** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:58 pm

Within the new guidelines:

"To improve clarity, wet tyres have also been renamed 'intermediates' and extreme weather tyres are now called 'wet'."

Bloody hopeless.
F1 is dead.

Why not call wet tyres, 'wet'. Just a thought.

middlefour1 · Post by **middlefour1** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:35 pm

Ferry Man wrote:Why not call wet tyres, 'wet'. Just a thought.

Steady on Paul, sounds like common sense to me!!

Nick Moss · Post by **Nick Moss** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:04 pm

Ah well, time to switch to Moto GP....

Except that the TV coverage is now on BBC, not Eurosport that I have enjoyed watching for many years.

left4dead · Post by **left4dead** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:42 pm

nick-moss wrote:
Ah well, time to switch to Moto GP....
Except that the TV coverage is now on BBC, not Eurosport that I have enjoyed watching for many years.

Hasn't it always been on BBC2? I always watched it on BBC2! Are you saying that it was live on Eurosport? Is that on Freeview? If it was and it is I am now kicking myself

Did Eurosport have someone more attractive than Suzi Perry introducing?

Mind you, I don't think she's looked like that for a while

Nick Moss · Post by **Nick Moss** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:59 pm

Did Eurosport have someone more attractive than Suzi Perry introducing?

No, they didn't cater for that market. The coverage was much more serious and IMO more mature. Randy Mamola was part of the team. They covered every qualifying session and warm up for every class as well as the races. All live. I am sure the Beeb won't give that sort of coverage.

That said the Beeb's coverage of F1 will be as good as it gets. Did anyone watch any of the interactive coverage that Ecclestone made available in the 90s? 6 POVs on 6 channels plus a live timing screen.

Ferry Man · Post by **Ferry Man** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:27 pm

nick-moss wrote:
Randy Mamola was part of the team.

Wow, she sounds even better than Suzi Perry!
Got any pictures?

DIRKBROWNFINGER · Post by **DIRKBROWNFINGER** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:30 pm

The main thing to remember here is that now the F1 coverage is on the BBC we will no longer have to listen to PC Mark ruddy Blundell and his non-sensical input....

"Well what he done there was textbook."

"He done more there than what the team was expecting."

What a weapon!

I am sure that Eddie Jordan will be able to offer a little more insight into the sport as one of the new pundits? Its a shame that Steve Ryder defected to ITV for F1, the beeb have lost the best in the business IMHO. As long as it isnt Craig Doyle or Gary Lineker! I hear the new anchor is a BBC childrens presenter.

Looking forward to seeing if the "Brawn Supremacy" actually materialises.

Dirk.

johndglynn · Post by **johndglynn** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:18 pm

nick-moss wrote:Did anyone watch any of the interactive coverage that Ecclestone made available in the 90s? 6 POVs on 6 channels plus a live timing screen.

I ended up quitting my job to watch it mate! I agree the Eurosport MotoGP coverage was top notch. Toby screaming over the 125s going into turn one 7 abreast is what bike racing on TV is all about for me.

The F1 budget cap scheme is optional, not compulsory. The only thing bugging me is that the one who wins most races wins the championship, this is BS when you have a points system IMO. That said, F1 is definitely not dead.

popcorn · Post by **popcorn** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:47 pm

nick-moss wrote:The F1 budget cap scheme is optional, not compulsory

and, the budget capped teams get less stringent regulations to enable them to regain performance on the uncapped teams

Quote from Mosely......

What technical and other freedoms will the cost-capped teams have which are not available to the other teams?

MM: A different (but standard) under body, movable wings, no engine rev limit, no restriction on the number or type of updates, no homologation requirements, no limits on materials, testing, simulators, wind tunnels and so forth - most of the cost saving measures introduced over the last few years will not apply to these teams. However measures to save money during the race weekend, such as the ban on refuelling and the Saturday parc fermé, will apply to both categories of team. We are also thinking about a much bigger capacity KERS for the cost-capped teams.

Highfield · Post by **Highfield** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:57 pm

DIRKBROWNFINGER wrote: I hear the new anchor is a BBC childrens presenter.
Dirk.

Valerie Singleton back on the BBC at last

Not watched the Moto GP, but I do remember Randy Mamola as a racer - what a showman - great !

Yes, I am perplexed where you can have both a points system, and a he who wins most races. Cannot see the Premiership adopting that.

Ian

bjmullan · Post by **bjmullan** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:43 pm

If any thing the new points system doesn't go far enough. My family moto is vivere sat vincere ... To conquer is to live enough. In order words it's not the taking part that counts, but the winning. And it should be the same in F1.

I have watch F1 for over 30 years and these are the biggest chances since flat bottoms and no turbos. Watch and enjoy

Post by **Bootsy** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:11 am

DIRKBROWNFINGER wrote:I am sure that Eddie Jordan will be able to offer a little more insight into the sport as one of the new pundits?

Who interestingly said when being interviewed above 20 minutes ago that he welcomed the new system and that as an ex team owner felt that it would improve the racing.

abash914 · Post by **abash914** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:55 am

Surely, what the new system will stop is what happened @ Sao Paulo - which always gets my goat, i.e. McLaren going all-out for a fourth place. That said, would there have been a race in Brazil, cos hadn't Massa already won more races than Lewis??
Oh! I don't know - but I THINK I'm in agreement with he who wins most races wins and in the event of a tie, there being a count-back on the other points earned through the year.
I just hope that the new cars go better than they look and that there are some surprise packages (Vettel, as well as Jenson..)
NE way, not long to go now!!
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