C.V. Joints
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Barry
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Thanks Steve, I missed your post by 2 mins, and had gone up the road to Paragon. They said that they had some old stock on the shelf that I was welcome to go through ....
Anyway, they had two types, the one that duplicates the ones that Dave Mac had sent through (8mm holes) plus these other ones. These are listed as '87 - on' and are LOBRO's. They are identical to the ones on the car, except are 32mm thick, instead of 30mm, and they've got 6x10mm holes, instead of 4x 10mm + 2x 8mm ones.
So the good news is that I have two brand spankers, good make, joints in my sweaty paws.
The bad news was the price: they were retailing them at 147.oo plus vat (no wonder they hadn't shifted them). I did a deal for two at 89 plus vat (each
). On the other hand, they are a good make, and obviously there's no P&P.
TBH, I was just keen to get this resolved, and could hardly say 'thanks a lot Paragon, I'll just take these numbers, and place my order somewhere cheaper'
Anyway, here're the numbers:
C1531001990 50 LOBRO 39 98 (I assume the last four are the production dates, knowing that they have been on the shelf for yonks.
STOP PRESS!!
Dave Mac have just phoned, and have sorted which joints they are, which we've gone through dimension by dimension. Needless to say they're a fraction of the Paragon price. Net result, I'm going to use just one of the Paragon ones, simply because the shaft is already apart and just needs the one new joint. I think that the ever-helpful Carl will take the other one back O.K. as I do give them a bit of parts business.
Dave Mac are sending down another two joints, which will allow me to either replace one on the other side, and retain a spare, or to do both and keep the best of the replaced joints as a spare (most likely). This is the shaft with a little play on the inner, no play on the outer, and no noise.
Hopefully this will resolve the whole issue, and I'll end up with one fully reconditioned shaft, and one with a new and a cleaned-up joint, all for about 50 pounds less than the best price on one re-con shaft.
I'll post up the Dave Mac part numbers when they arrive. BTW, the carriage for getting the joints here for tomorrow (sat) was going to be nearly 30 pounds, so as the car should be mobile again anyway today, I'll do the other one later on, and go for a 'normal' carriage.
Anyway, they had two types, the one that duplicates the ones that Dave Mac had sent through (8mm holes) plus these other ones. These are listed as '87 - on' and are LOBRO's. They are identical to the ones on the car, except are 32mm thick, instead of 30mm, and they've got 6x10mm holes, instead of 4x 10mm + 2x 8mm ones.
So the good news is that I have two brand spankers, good make, joints in my sweaty paws.
The bad news was the price: they were retailing them at 147.oo plus vat (no wonder they hadn't shifted them). I did a deal for two at 89 plus vat (each
TBH, I was just keen to get this resolved, and could hardly say 'thanks a lot Paragon, I'll just take these numbers, and place my order somewhere cheaper'
Anyway, here're the numbers:
C1531001990 50 LOBRO 39 98 (I assume the last four are the production dates, knowing that they have been on the shelf for yonks.
STOP PRESS!!
Dave Mac have just phoned, and have sorted which joints they are, which we've gone through dimension by dimension. Needless to say they're a fraction of the Paragon price. Net result, I'm going to use just one of the Paragon ones, simply because the shaft is already apart and just needs the one new joint. I think that the ever-helpful Carl will take the other one back O.K. as I do give them a bit of parts business.
Dave Mac are sending down another two joints, which will allow me to either replace one on the other side, and retain a spare, or to do both and keep the best of the replaced joints as a spare (most likely). This is the shaft with a little play on the inner, no play on the outer, and no noise.
Hopefully this will resolve the whole issue, and I'll end up with one fully reconditioned shaft, and one with a new and a cleaned-up joint, all for about 50 pounds less than the best price on one re-con shaft.
I'll post up the Dave Mac part numbers when they arrive. BTW, the carriage for getting the joints here for tomorrow (sat) was going to be nearly 30 pounds, so as the car should be mobile again anyway today, I'll do the other one later on, and go for a 'normal' carriage.
Last edited by Barry on Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Final update for now: the Lobro joint has gone on just fine.
It turned out that what I thought was a 8mm roll pin was in fact a 10mm. So the only significant difference between a 1972/3 'Four Bolt' joint, and a 85-89 joint is that the roll pin holes on the 72/3 are half drilled 8mm, and the rest of the hole opened up to 10mm (I assume to stop the roll pin from failing to locate in the other hald by being pushed back into the joint.)
Therefore, I think we can conclude that a 85- type joint is fine to use on an early (72/3) car, just as long as you ensure that the roll-pin does not get pushed back into the joint when the shaft is re0united with either the hub splined part, or the gearbox output flange.
When I do the other side, I'll post some pictures of how I found the best way to re-assemble a dismantled CV joint (bit of a chinese puzzle) plus some other pointers as to the job in general.
I'll also post up the Dave Mac part numbers for future reference as well.
Hopefully on Sunday, I'll take the car for a drive, but for now it's reassembled as far as the bad shaft is concerned, and all looks well.
BTW, Thanks for the input, Chaps, very much appreciated
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It turned out that what I thought was a 8mm roll pin was in fact a 10mm. So the only significant difference between a 1972/3 'Four Bolt' joint, and a 85-89 joint is that the roll pin holes on the 72/3 are half drilled 8mm, and the rest of the hole opened up to 10mm (I assume to stop the roll pin from failing to locate in the other hald by being pushed back into the joint.)
Therefore, I think we can conclude that a 85- type joint is fine to use on an early (72/3) car, just as long as you ensure that the roll-pin does not get pushed back into the joint when the shaft is re0united with either the hub splined part, or the gearbox output flange.
When I do the other side, I'll post some pictures of how I found the best way to re-assemble a dismantled CV joint (bit of a chinese puzzle) plus some other pointers as to the job in general.
I'll also post up the Dave Mac part numbers for future reference as well.
Hopefully on Sunday, I'll take the car for a drive, but for now it's reassembled as far as the bad shaft is concerned, and all looks well.
BTW, Thanks for the input, Chaps, very much appreciated
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I've been looking at my drive shafts, seemis I'm goin to have to mix some stuff up !
I have a 901 gearbox, with the large flanges, and Ally trailing arms (not that that's a problem ) with small flanges.
Here's a picture of the two drive shafts, note that the larger CV fits on the larger daimater shaft ! (also slightly shorter) and so I can't just switch the CV's and have one small and one large on the same shaft !! Perhaps I could get some of the larger drive flanges ??

Any ideas ?
Tim
I have a 901 gearbox, with the large flanges, and Ally trailing arms (not that that's a problem ) with small flanges.
Here's a picture of the two drive shafts, note that the larger CV fits on the larger daimater shaft ! (also slightly shorter) and so I can't just switch the CV's and have one small and one large on the same shaft !! Perhaps I could get some of the larger drive flanges ??

Any ideas ?
Tim
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I had a lovely sunny drive in the Kent countryside yesterday afternoon followed by an horrendous drive home through pouring rain and flooded roads. This only became worse when a rythmic grinding noise got progressively worse coming from the rear right side. When coasting the noise dissappeared but under even the slightest power it was there until I was worried enough to continue the journey on an AA flatbed. The continuing foul weather means Ive not been able to investigate physically but my suspicions are that this thread could be somewhat relevant next weekend as the AA man said Id split a cv boot and it was 'full of sh1t'.
Barry, what was the final conclusion on compatability of the 85< parts/ part numbers and where to best get them and if I get scared on further investigation where would be a good place to take the car in the south east to have it sorted?
Hope you can help as Im already a bit miffed at the prospect of not having the car on the road next weekend
Barry, what was the final conclusion on compatability of the 85< parts/ part numbers and where to best get them and if I get scared on further investigation where would be a good place to take the car in the south east to have it sorted?
Hope you can help as Im already a bit miffed at the prospect of not having the car on the road next weekend
David
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You actuall need the >85 not <85 joints, the mid year (74-85) cars had smaller diameter bolts than the early and post 85 cars.jackstowers wrote:
Barry, what was the final conclusion on compatability of the 85< parts/ part numbers and where to best get them and if I get scared on further investigation where would be a good place to take the car in the south east to have it sorted?
Steve
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