68S

[redrobin911]

OK - will mail and message tomorrow.....

[Sam]

I agree. It’s not about stirring or accusing anyone of anything. It’s about protecting a buyer and the rusty old car community as a whole.

[Nashman]

Working in the car auction business myself, it is correct that the description is down to the vendor BUT, if an auctioneer is told that something is not so, they really should publish an amendment. The thing is though, that every man and his dog will tell you that this or that is not right in the hope they will put off others and get it cheaper....so, the auctioneer in question (who I don't work for), will be doing their checking to make sure the facts are correct, which with an engine such as this, may take a little time before they make any declaration. For the sake of correctness I would contact them again. If it was sold to the vendor as a matching car, they could take action against the person they got it from, assuming they didn't know and assuming it isn't the original motor. At the end though, this matching thing is out of hand IMHO.

[redrobin911]

Working in the car auction business myself, it is correct that the description is down to the vendor BUT, if an auctioneer is told that something is not so, they really should publish an amendment. The thing is though, that every man and his dog will tell you that this or that is not right in the hope they will put off others and get it cheaper....so, the auctioneer in question (who I don't work for), will be doing their checking to make sure the facts are correct, which with an engine such as this, may take a little time before they make any declaration. For the sake of correctness I would contact them again. If it was sold to the vendor as a matching car, they could take action against the person they got it from, assuming they didn't know and assuming it isn't the original motor. At the end though, this matching thing is out of hand IMHO.

I've messaged them gain this morning and no reply as of yet. The matching numbers thing is driven by the buyers/collectors who seem more than happy to pay a premium, so I wouldn't blame vendors, they're just reacting to market demand. It does however put a question mark over the valuation as the car currently stands I would have thought?

[Nashman]

You are completely correct in all you say...btw you don't happen to know where the cases for my car are do you??? It lived in Ireland....engine 6391295....worth an ask I suppose...Matthew

[Ralph]

Frank's a bit quiet.

[Nick Moss]

Is the motor currently in the car aluminium cased?

[redrobin911]

Is the motor currently in the car aluminium cased?

Nick - no pics and I'm in Belfast.... Original motor is mag as you well know. No reply from Auctioneers BTW.... Guess they may be out looking at the car and on the phone....?

[Sam]

I take it you never heard back from the auction house Robin?

[redrobin911]

I take it you never heard back from the auction house Robin?

Sam - Sorry been away on business, yes I got a message back on Monday of this week which I think should satisfy...Thank you for your message, this has been passed on to the auction specialist who consigned the car. Many thanks, Historics

So they know about this now....what they'll so next is anyones guess.

Robin

[KS]

Just e-mailed Mike Hodges, whom I've known for years and is the press contact for Historics. Be interesting to see what comes of this...

[redrobin911]

Just e-mailed Mike Hodges, whom I've known for years and is the press contact for Historics. Be interesting to see what comes of this...

Keith - I received an email from a Stewart Banks from Historics today and he confirms the engine in their car is the real one..... interesting. No photo to back this up and would suspect many clues to confirm its not original. I'd like to see a photo of the engine stamping, the case half numbers and the year date stamp on the engine casings.... it may be the same number but that doesn't mean its the right engine!!

"Hi Robin, following on from your email regarding the engine number on the 911S we have in our sale on 7th March I am confident it is matching numbers. I have inspected the engine number on the car and on the Certificate of Authenticity and they are the same. Regards Stewart Banks
Historics"

I also beleive the orignal transmission is still with the original engine, will get a pic of the transmission number shortly.

[KS]

Interesting - I'll see if I can get a close-up of the engine number from Mike Hodges, the press and PR guy I know.

[redrobin911]

Keith - the build number is what will confirm everything - also see if you can confirm engine type as being 901/02?
Correct engine number is 4080784 build number is 12*57 - see in bold how this fits in the list - not disclosing the full number for obvious reasons.

I have this other information from Davep on Early911S registry

901/02 4080594 11608
902/02 4080784 12*57
901/02 4080828 12633
901/02 4080850 12675

So the build number is in the correct range - I doubt a faked engine would be....

[redrobin911]

Folks - we have a photo of the 68S engine as for sale - got this from historics this evening.

One very obvious issue..... I can see another one clear issue, and nearly a 2nd - any helpers here???

To continue - the auction house are going to forward a photo of the engine type number - think this will be a 901/02 but 100% the build range will not be correct....