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wow, where did six weeks go??!! :shock: Start new job, time suddenly speeds up. don't you hate that?! So... here's the offending item that immobilised the bus (literally). Bloody thing, I do hate them. Thanks to Paragon who sent Lee up to my workshop to remove the retched thing.

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I will be taking it out and summarily burning it later this week. And here's the offending wiring loom in all it's glory in situ and wrenched from the car:

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Check out all the rubbish connections, relay boxes, wires going nowhere, and crispy coatings that had gone deliciously hard over the years. Not to mention the tired bullet connectors, and tape used to hold everything together. It was a wonder the car saw the end of three races!

Anyway, here's the car stripped: took Ian two days to label everything, work out where it all went, remove all the gauges, seats, gear shift, etc to then carefully remove the wiring loom:

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Ian then set about making a bespoke loom for the car. I looked into replacing it with a factory loom but there's so much of the loom that's redundant and so much that's required that's bespoke, that it made more sense to make it. Plus we were able to go with modern wire (thinner, lighter but able to carry more amps), cut everything to length in the car, and simplifying a whole lot of the wiring (why did the factory make so much of it complicated?). In the process we pulled the engine and found the input shaft seal had destroyed itself, hence the gearbox oil everywhere. So a new seal has gone in, along with a Feramic 4 puck clutch and solid ally gearbox mounts. Boy do the original steel and rubber ones weigh a ton! I also took the liberty of drilling all the dashboard brackets to lighten them and cleaned about half of SoCal beach from inside the tunnel. I reckon I removed the better part of a kilo of sand (no bull) from inside that tunnel. God knows how it got there but I'm sure the car will feel faster as a result. Ian also took the opportunity to replace the entire rigid fuel line front to back with new ally hose, as we had the front piece split a few months ago so we were never confident of the original line. With the engine out I also spent a long time cleaning the engine bay, above the gearbox and the inside of the rear quarter panels of years of oil, sand and gunk.

Ian also cleaned and refurbished all the electrical components, including the fuse board. So with new wires, connectors, fuses and components we should (I hope) have made the electrical system reliable. Ian also installed new warning lights on the dash as the originals had never worked - nothing like playing Russian Roulette with a £12,000 motor :shock:

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They say there's two ways to go racing: restore it and then race it. Which I could never do as I'd be afraid of scratching or breaking it. And racing a car and restoring it as you go, which is what we're obviously doing. The latter is always a harder road to take as you've got to schedule a lot of work between races but it does allow you to spread the cost of restoration, and it also means you get to enjoy it while the rebuild is taking place!

We're off to the HSCC finals this coming weekend at Silverstone, assuming the car is back together! Rather surprisingly we're 11 in our class in the championship out of about 25 cars. Most of that is down to two decent class finishes at Snetterton and Brands (3rd and 4th respectively), and because few owners make all the races. Best of all there are only four cars entered in the under-2 litres category (ours) for the final race and only one of them is ahead on points. So if we just finish the race we'll leap frog up to 6th place. Unfortunately the others are too far ahead for us to make up any further places in the championship, but if we finish the race and end up 6th out of 25 cars in the under 2 litre class in our first year of racing I'll be delighted. I'll let you know how we get on. Again, if you've a spare saturday and you fancy taking your car for a drive, come support us at Silverstone: it would be great to see you there. Cheers, Steve
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See you next weekend Steve. I think you have made a fantastic start this season - it's been great to follow your progress. Best wishes, Robert
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Thanks Robert. Hopefully next season we won't be quite so green ("which way does the first corner go"?) and I'm thinking hard about waving the lightening stick at the car over the winter to take some weight out the rear of the car so we don't have to pedal quite so hard up some of those hills :wink:
'53 356 Pre-A (a box of bits!)
'54 Okrasa/Porsche/VW special
'58 356A Super (GS-spec)
'65 Razoredge Ghia
'66 Westfalia Camper
'70 911S (2.3 ST Le-Mans spec engine)

http://www.pushrod.org

http://www.classicporschemag.co.uk
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steve wright wrote:Hopefully next season we won't be quite so green ("which way does the first corner go"?)
That'd be really rather funny if you didn't really mean it.
Keep up the good work - am enjoying going racing vicariously via your & Ian's exploits.
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Well the season is over, and what a season is was. The Silverstone finals were held on a damp track which proved to be a mixed blessing. Cold tyres and a super-greasy surface in practice saw me experience my first spin: in too hot for the sharp right hander that takes you onto the National circuit (mis-judged how tight it was because I'd only driven on the GP circuit previously) felt the back step out and despite turning into it I gently went round in a big arc, amongst all the cars around me. Fortunately no-one hit me and I had the presence of mind to step on the clutch, put it into first and sneak it into the inner part of the corner to avoid the remaining cars behind me hit me because they were committed to that line. Second lap I had to stand on the brakes harder than anticipated when a Lotus snuck up the inside then chickened out on his braking, meaning I hit the middle pedal far earlier than I had planned: almighty tank slap ensued as the rear brakes locked up, but I held it together and scrabbled for second gear, before overtaking the cheeky Lotus. He just breezed past me on the straight though: note to self, need more horsepower! What I did realise looking at the lap times though was that a wet track suits the 356. We out-qualified one of the MGB's which we've not done before, and were within 4.5 seconds of the next six cars which included Lotus Elan's, MGB's and an E-Type. More importantly from my perspective is the fact that I was getting faster with every lap. With a seasons racing under our belts we can now begin to play with the settings as we're beginning to form opinions on what suits our driving styles and what works. For a starter I think reducing the size of the front bar from the whopping 19mm to 17.5mm will be a good place to begin as the front washes wide everywhere. Nice and predictable (just what you want in your first season of racing) but soooo slow when it comes to many bends!

The race wasn't until 4pm and with a sunny day and everyone else pounding round before us, the track dried out completely for the race. A standing start is always a good thing in a 356 because the engine at the rear gives better traction than many of the front engined, rear drive cars. I was parked on the last row of the grid behind a Ginetta G16 who had had problems in practice, so figured he would be a good chap to follow as he had far more horsepower than most at the back of the grid. And it proved to be a good strategy up to the point where a car had stalled mid-grid. I've learnt you ignore the cars in front and watch the lights at the start - most people wait for the chap in front to leave, but that means you get an accordion effect which multiplies out with the delay of everyone's reaction times, plus you don't want to rely on the chap in front having good reflexes. So red start lights extinguish and with 5,500rpm on the dial I dump the new Feramic clutch and catapult past two Lotus, the E–type and an MGB in the rows in front of me. Great start! Then the Ginetta I'm following makes a massive avoidance swerve because a Sports Racers (it was blue, that's all I remember!) had stalled: heave the wheel to the left and pray the guy on my left gives me the room otherwise I'm going to shunt the stationary blue thing right up the chuff. MGB, Lotus and E-Type all out accelerate me to the first corner but we're having a proper old dice through the first 3 laps, with the chap in the MGB I out-qualified still behind me. The leaders (two Chevron's going at it hammer and tongs) come past, one either side on the fourth lap and I'm forced to go wide and the MGB says thank you for opening the door, and slots up the inside: damn! Bloody accelerator pedal is bending to the side again (I don't heal and toe but use the side of my foot) so we're not getting full throttle (again), so there's something to fix before next season there too. Lap times keep coming down though: did a best of 1.30 dead in practice (wet track though) and first couple of laps are a 1.23. Manage to get it down to 1.19 but simply can't go any faster. Still at least I'm consistent! A Chevron spins right in front of me mid-race and retires, and the very quick white Elan with orange stripe falters, suddenly slowing and allowing me to overtake.

Sports Racers blast past with regular monotony so you've got to keep an keen eye on the mirrors and make your intentions pretty clearly to avoid a tangle-up. Good race-craft to build in your first season I guess: Robert (one-two) said Guards was going in at the deep end and he wasn't wrong! Then the chequered flag is out and I've finished my first season. We finish last but rather encouragingly we started the season 19 seconds a lap off the pace of the class leader (under 2 litres): now it's 7 seconds. And because we were reliable and consistent we've finished in 5th place in the championship out of 35 contenders (although a number of competitors didn't do many races). Doing that in the oldest car in the championship, with one of the smallest engines and the only car on drum brakes all round has been really satisfying. Well it's more than satisfying frankly – this racing lark is almost as good as sex and with 40 minute races last a whole lot longer. I've had tremendous fun learning the circuits and a bit of race craft along the way, and been really proud of the fact that we didn't embarrass ourselves or do anything silly. And it's been great doing it with mates – that has really made it for me. Being able to share the experience with friends just makes it even better. Mav did a fantastic effort crewing for us all season purely off his own back, and Ian has been a great driving buddy. He's going to strip the engine down over winter and find out what we've got in the back, freshening it up and tweak it where he can, but I'm not going mad with this engine: we suspect it's largely bog-standard given it's characteristics. I'm going to set about the car with a lightening stick to remove weight especially from the rear and we'll separately start buying the bits for a new motor and box which should give us a fighting chance against the MGB's and slower Lotus Elan's in our quest for that 7 seconds….

Donnington is our first race of the new season in mid-March, so I'll update when we have the motor back in the car. Until then, have a great winter everyone.
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'58 356A Super (GS-spec)
'65 Razoredge Ghia
'66 Westfalia Camper
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Great report Steve - really true to life!
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A thououghly enjoyable thread, sad to sense that you seem to have signed off till next year. Please don't. I'm sure i'm not alone in wanting full tech breakdown of developments/discoveries this winter! Good luck, Winston
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Robert, thanks for all your support and counsel over the season, it's been invaluable.

Winston, happy to provide insight into the winter development as and when we turn up anything newsworthy!
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'54 Okrasa/Porsche/VW special
'58 356A Super (GS-spec)
'65 Razoredge Ghia
'66 Westfalia Camper
'70 911S (2.3 ST Le-Mans spec engine)

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Steve, you're making us all feel very envious! Well, maybe not those other guys who race regularly, but certainly we mere mortals who sit on the sidelines! Well done to you and Ian. Great job!
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Sounds fantastic Steve - thanks for writing it up. I know if I had the money this is one of the ways I'd be spending it - thanks for sharing the experience.
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Steve, just adding my thanks for another great race report and congrats for completing the season with all your bits in tact. Great stuff from you and team and I'm already looking forward to next season plus any updates along the way. Good luck with the fettling!
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steve wright wrote:...been really proud of the fact that we didn't embarrass ourselves or do anything silly. And it's been great doing it with mates – that has really made it for me. Being able to share the experience with friends just makes it even better.
That's a really great sentiment. I've enjoyed vicarious racing :)
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Steve,

I enjoyed your well written Race Report - you should be sending regular reports after each race to one of the mags - KS ?

I cannot remember whether we sold you any of our Harder Rear Torsion Bar Rubbers (same price as Soft ones) but if we did not - You need them

Yes a 17.5mm Sway Bar is the way to go with harder bushings
However, reading between your lines, you may even like something smaller (16 ?)

The Locking up of the rear brakes was interesting - this is a problem with 356`s for some reason they do brake too much on the rear (OK for the road but no good for racing) also check your brake temps you will also find that the rears run hotter. It seems that there is no air movement around the Drums /Discs in the rear

I cannot remember if you have 60mm Drums - be careful if they are not original Porsche ones - aftermarket ones have been known to break and then there is nothing holding the wheel on

We can supply you with Vented Backplates for both the Front and the Rear - or the Parts to make your own
I do have some additional thoughts on this area

Pedalwise - maybe you want to think about the whole assembly - both Brake and Accelerator ?

You are correct on weight; it is the Cheapest HP you do not have to buy

Well done mate - nice to see someone new out there

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Are 60mm drums/shoes available, and interchangeable with the standard backplates/stubaxles/cylinders, or is it a complete assembly changeover? W
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Hi Winston,

60 mm Drums are available as aftermarket units BUT Porsche ones were Forged - Aftermarket are Cast

Maybe the new generation of Cast Ones are OK (?) but from our personal experiance the Cast ones (supplied by a VERY reputable manufacturer) broke around the Stud Circle (Snetterton)

I do not want to be resoponsible for supplying anything that is in a critical area and may break, especially as it also may involve other road users / pedestrians

I also do not think that there is any advantage for road use in fitting 60mm drums - they will never be hot enough when you want them (unless you live in the Alps)

If you really want them - I will tell you where to buy them - there are 2 x suppliers

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