911 2.7RS

[Lightweight_911]

Sorry - double post

[Bootsy]

Any pics of a Sepia Brown RS? I've never seen one.

[sng45]

Hi Steve - In answer to your earlier post, "yes" I'm now recovered from the accident in my orange RS Thanks, just the broken shoulder from the mountainbike fall to get over at the moment!
As you mention Peter Morgan does not always check each car himself, he has people who work with him to check the newer models. He arranged for John Robinson to check my 993 4S and he did an excellent job. Peter took a day out and drove to Essex to inspect my RS and as I said before I'd strongly reccomend you to ask him to check anything you're considering buying ( he also checked my 2.4S) as the report can only add confidence,value and peace of mind.
To assist you in your search and to enjoy when you have your RS you really need to get hold of a copy of "The Book" - "RS Carrera" by Konradsheim & Gruber - this will answer every question you can think of and and all the questions you didn't think of !!
Very worthwhile
Best Wishes Steve Giles

[Paul64]

Steve,
I am just going though the process of importing a pre-73 car from Germany.
It's really quite a lot easier than you might imagine with an older car and if you call the DVLA, they can send you an 'Import Pack' of paperwork.
I bought a private plate on a certificate rather than wait for the allocated number but it would have been a black-background 'L' plate and no road tax...
On the way home from collecting it, I have an MOT booked at my overnight stop in Kent to be issued on the chassis number then up to the Wirral to complete the paperwork in the Chester DVLA local office.

Good luck with the search and indeed, Le Mans does sound like a great idea for the summer!

Paul

[Spydermon]

i could lend/rent you a car for Le Mans (it won't be a RS)

have you spoken to Andrew Meres at Gmund cars Knaresborugh,he seems to be able to find these cars out of no-where.
i know not everyone approves of/gets on with Andrew but i have bought and sold several cars through him and never had anything other than a pleasant expereince dealing with him.

Hi Helen, what a generous offer, I'm quite taken aback....thank you. If I don't get something sorted by then I'll get in touch, thanks again. BTW I think I see you quite often.....how, you wonder? Well, my favourite issue of GTPorsche is the April '07 issue, the one where they test all the Rs's together and Chris Knapman states that the RS is not only the best RS but the best car Porsche has ever made (I cheer every time I read it ), and who is at the back with a blue 914 with a gulf stripe -which incidentally is exactly what I would do if I had a blue one!- but the big giveaway is the key shot. At the forefront is the DDK keyring! Apols if you've done it to death on here, but I was quite pleased with my amateur sleuthing!

I haven't spoken to Gmund yet, but I've looked at their cars a lot, especially that 'R'. I'll have to take a troll over there and have a chat, I'll tell him you sent me, added leverage?

On another note: I've noticed trawling through different threads and stuff that there are two members in Sydney OZ. One of whom (Gulf908) that you have chatted with, also there is SIR70T. I'd pm them but I don't know that they'd respond to a newbie like me. Could you possibly pm him and point him to this thread, I'd like to ask about Peter Morgan types in Sydney? Thanks very much in advance.

Steve.

[Spydermon]

Sorry - double post

Hi Andy, thanks for that. It's a great picture, one of yours? The white cars are very striking aren't they?

BTW are you the same 'Lightweight' as on PH?

regards,

Steve.

[Spydermon]

when you import a car, so long as you can prove date of manufacture teh DVLA will give you an age related plate eg a '72 L reg or a 73 M reg.

For example my car is a very late December 1972 build so has an L reg plate & is tax free.


Classic Lemans is July 11th weekend. About 40 DDK cars going across for it . Details are in the members only section of the forum


Everyone knows yellow cars are the quickest

Hi James,

Cheers for the info,

I'm sorting the membership thing now, have printed the form. Then I can get on the forum and include myself in! Le Mans '08, it's looking like a target!

When they assign you a plate do they just make it up, or is it an unused number from that period?

Cheers,

Steve.

[Spydermon]

Hi Steve - In answer to your earlier post, "yes" I'm now recovered from the accident in my orange RS Thanks, just the broken shoulder from the mountainbike fall to get over at the moment!
As you mention Peter Morgan does not always check each car himself, he has people who work with him to check the newer models. He arranged for John Robinson to check my 993 4S and he did an excellent job. Peter took a day out and drove to Essex to inspect my RS and as I said before I'd strongly reccomend you to ask him to check anything you're considering buying ( he also checked my 2.4S) as the report can only add confidence,value and peace of mind.
To assist you in your search and to enjoy when you have your RS you really need to get hold of a copy of "The Book" - "RS Carrera" by Konradsheim & Gruber - this will answer every question you can think of and and all the questions you didn't think of !!
Very worthwhile
Best Wishes Steve Giles

Hi Steve,

Glad to hear you are OK! Was that shoulder broken downhilling? I use to do a lot of downhill racing back in the nineties. OT - but what bike?

Thanks for the Peter Morgan feedback, he definitely seems to be the man, I'll use him in this country. Yes, it's true, you really need some technical backup these days, so many potential problems and hidden little nasties.

I've tried to get the RS book, but it's out of print in English, and as James pointed out to me, he's seen copies change hands on E-bay for up to a grand


Regards,

Steve.

[Spydermon]

Steve,
I am just going though the process of importing a pre-73 car from Germany.
It's really quite a lot easier than you might imagine with an older car and if you call the DVLA, they can send you an 'Import Pack' of paperwork.
I bought a private plate on a certificate rather than wait for the allocated number but it would have been a black-background 'L' plate and no road tax...
On the way home from collecting it, I have an MOT booked at my overnight stop in Kent to be issued on the chassis number then up to the Wirral to complete the paperwork in the Chester DVLA local office.

Good luck with the search and indeed, Le Mans does sound like a great idea for the summer!

Paul

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the reply, glad to hear that your importing experience is going OK. How long did it take to find your car, and was your experience with the dealer a pleasant one. Could you post more details of your car, and is it just what you were looking for, or did you have to compromise a litrle on spec or something?
Do you live Chester way? BTW Just a jape, but I'd love to hear the reaction of a Chestonian to be told that they were on the Wirral!!!

Regards,

Steve.

[hot66]

not another mountain biker !! There are quite a few of us on DDK

[Spydermon]

not another mountain biker !! There are quite a few of us on DDK

Oh yes, though semi-retired! Won a few minor-league downhill races back in the day! Honestly if I start about bikes.............No, I can't, but if you know the tactile joy of an XTR skewer, then you know....


Steve.

[Helen]

not another mountain biker !! There are quite a few of us on DDK

Oh yes, though semi-retired! Won a few minor-league downhill races back in the day! Honestly if I start about bikes.............No, I can't, but if you know the tactile joy of an XTR skewer, then you know....


Steve.

oh god, don't start them off again
http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16832

[Bertroex]

not another mountain biker !!

AAAAAaaaarrrgh.

Only joking naturally. It gets a bit scary if you start to break bones but I suppose that is commitment.

On the subject of Peter Morgan: I personally feel that his report is a good beginning but it doesn't tell a complete story.

If I were to buy a 911 and an RS in particular, I'd want someone who:

1.Can assess what is period to that particular RS and what not (e.g. factory delivered with some lightweight options but a touring bumper at the back)

2. Can assess what is original to that particular car and what has been replaced with reproduction parts (wings, bootlid, front windscreen, what serial number and build date are on the Fuchs? 15 inch SC wheels from 1979 or a set dated correctly from say 03/1973)

3. Can assess the quality of the restauration. An RS was a choice par excellence for rally drivers. A good number of them have been wrapped around trees, jumped left right and centre in stage rallys and what not. Have a look at the floor of some the RS's and you can sometimes see scars which were left as a reminder. A talented bodyshop man spots these things in a split second. Peter is not a bodyshop man. Also, what is the paint thickness. Porsche had 120 microns. Any quality restauration would want to emulate that as close as possible, unless the shell has been e-coated: that adds a few microns. Peter does not test this IIRC.

4. Can assess the state of the internal bit: engine, gearbox, suspension, brakes etc. Once again, I'd expect a compression test AND an assessment by a specialist such as Bob Watson, Fran Tuthill, Neil Bainbridge, Mike Bainbridge, Crispin Manners at Oak Tree, Jaz at Carrera Performance, Nick Fulljames at Autofarm etc.

Mike Bainbridge spotted in 2 minutes items that were not quite as porsche intended on my engine when I broke down with the car. Needless to say: its a waste of time and money bothering with anyone who can't do that. It is even more important to do that if 6 figures are at stake.

Peter Morgan's comprehensive reports are good and I do appreciate what the man does BUT my personal feeling is that this is merely "a good start" to get a feeling of the car.
*Edit* This is based on a number of £350 reports I have seen from Peter Morgan for more "common 911" cars. It might be different for an "RS" report.

Good luck in your hunt,


Bert

[Vic Cohen]

Very honest and valid comments Bertorex , could nt agree more .

[Michael Birch]

Spydermon,

Unfortunately (as a buyer) the market is still strong for proper cars (even despite the money/economy issues). There are lots of replicas around and also plenty of tourings converted to lightweights. In the 80's they were worth bugger all, the market has since rocketed so some have a chequered history. If you are happy to buy one that has been played around with, then personally I'd buy a replica as in effect that's what you would be getting. The difference between a pretend one and a real one could be GBP£70/80k so it's down to what you want to spend and how much you value originality. I'd buy a proper car everytime because it's something you will always sell. LHD now seem to be RHD money so I'd consider whether you will drive it more in the UK or Europe to make that decision. For sure there is a strong argument for LHD having a bigger market, but with everything the item is only worth what you actually sell it for, and if you look at the RHD cars Lee M-P has sold recently he doesn't seem to have a problem. A German dealer recently offered to buy my RHD.

And because of the values the're now fetching they are high profile so finding a "cheap" car won't be easy. Personally I'd buy a a fully sorted car with good history. They will always sell and, unless there's a dip in the market, you won't lose money although your outlay (and therefore return) maybe more. All those kids that hankered after an RS in 1973 now have grey hair, pot bellys (at least I do!) and a wodge of cash so demand is there.

Most importantly, buy the right car that fits your requirements, use and and enjoy it.