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gridgway wrote:It's complex as it's not a supplier retailer b2b arrangement. The SOR seller is an agent for the owner. So not a creditor as such.

Also there's fraud involved but just a bankruptcy.

I am a solicitor but it’s not my area. If they were SOR then you could say he has satisfied one part of the contract - he did actually sell the car(s). He hasn’t satisfied the other part which is paying the money over. In the normal course of events I would say that is a civil case - they sue him for the money.

I’m guessing what makes it fraudulent here is that the chain of events shows he went into each of these agreement knowing he wasn’t going to pay them out.

Therefore I would suggest that would be classified as obtaining property by deception - I would suggest maybe it doesn’t qualify as theft because the owners willingly gave him the car for a purpose. That’s not to diminish the serious of what he did but just that it comes under a different category.

Like I say it’s not my area of law and it’s nearly 40 years since I had to study this stuff.

John Hawkins ( Malton) Sentenced yesterday .. 5 years 3 months

Not enough imho, he will be out far sooner.
Where is the money?

Officially only £1.5m according to th court … generally accepted a significant larger amount was involved

Its on the BBC
Looks like there is another hearing on the proceeds of crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c205d0xdj6po

SeanP wrote:Its on the BBC
Looks like there is another hearing on the proceeds of crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c205d0xdj6po

That will be to find out there is no assets left they can claim and it’s all ‘disappeared’ to people/places they can’t touch….

964RS wrote: ↑Tue Jan 13, 2026 9:27 am

SeanP wrote:Its on the BBC
Looks like there is another hearing on the proceeds of crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c205d0xdj6po

That will be to find out there is no assets left they can claim and it’s all ‘disappeared’ to people/places they can’t touch….

Appears to be a quick way of getting loads of cash with the minimum of effort!
Get caught do some stir keep your nose clean and have an 18 moth or so holiday at the tax payers expense. Then come out to a nice pension pot!
Wonder if his wife is still involved in politics? Must have been swept under the duck house if she still is!

Anyway anyone want me to sell their car for them?

Aren’t you getting confused with Andrew Mearns from GMund regarding his wife being involved in politics?

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/superca ... -1m/284751

Bootsy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 13, 2026 10:32 am Aren’t you getting confused with Andrew Mearns from GMund regarding his wife being involved in politics?

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/superca ... -1m/284751

Could well be! there were so many cases going on, seems like it was all fair game at one stage to rip people off for lots of money.

964RS wrote: ↑Tue Jan 13, 2026 9:27 am That will be to find out there is no assets left they can claim and it’s all ‘disappeared’ to people/places they can’t touch….

Probably. At least he got some bird tho. Unlike anyone from the post office / grenfell cladders / PPE / OxyContin etc.

Bootsy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 13, 2026 10:32 am Aren’t you getting confused with Andrew Mearns from GMund regarding his wife being involved in politics?

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/superca ... -1m/284751

Thats correct, Mearns will be sentenced at Crown Court in February or March, hope he goes down for a good long while.

There was Sean Lockyear too......

All Northern monkeys.

I think the two companies went to the line almost within weeks of each other.

All that is under the bridge, just need to see the second one hit hard too.
However, I just feel they both will be as free as a bird in months, not years.

Petty crimes compared to the heavy stuff like the Post office etc as above, but much easier to prosecute, the big sharks are to hard to deal with esp with politician's involved.

Sordid mess and it will never change.

I read he took in a car from a widow who trusted him to sell it for her. Stole the money.

Scumbag.