Brake pads for 911T?

[911hillclimber]

I have recently renewed the disks and pads on refurbished callipers on my T.

The callipers are A type in the front, original M type in the rear.

Disks and pads are Brembo from Type911.

Just done 20 miles of running in, usual gentle squeeze on the pedal and a bit harder after over the miles.

Not impressed with the retardation.

Re-thinking the pads I have, good to change them while the discs are very new.

Used to have the good but very noisy Carbone Lorraine (now have a different name), but the squeals at low speed/gentle braking got too much.

A hillclimb friend is using Pagid RSH 3 in his 2.7 RS replica and like them.
They are about the same price as the current Carbone pads, roughly £400 the car set.

Another friend with a 2.4S (so roughly the same calipers) is also on Pagid, but nor sure what grade, and is happy.

Any thought, real experiences please?

[Nine One One]

I don’t think 20 miles is enough as yet to fully bed them in. Give them 100 miles and you might have a better feeling for them?

[Lightweight_911]

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- & I think you're chasing the impossible ...

Over the past 5+ yrs you've constantly been trying to improve the braking standard of your car to match (or closely approach) the levels attained by modern cars.

You need to accept that it's a ~50 yr old car, the braking system of which was top level at the time but is nowhere near the standards of a modern hatchback.

Personally, I've never found the brakes on an early 911 substandard - it just needs greater effort/input from the driver - I think you're expecting too much ...


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[911hillclimber]

Maybe, but the Carbone pads are on another level, but squeal a lot. This was a pain.
I understand the 'impossible' but so far, do not feel good at all. Not sure the car will lock it's front wheels.

Some more miles hopefully will help.

[911hillclimber]

Been advised squeal and Carbone pads go hand in hand, so off the list.
Will ask the user of the Pagid pads the same this weekend at the hill climb.

[911GP]

Hi Graham,
I bought Textar pads from Eurocarparts when I had my car restored. They feel fine to me. Not super sharp like a modern car but are progressive. You may want to try these. They weren’t very expensive.

Kind regards
Gitesh

[911hillclimber]

Thank you, I've tried OEM Textar several time, but just not sharp enough for me (and my driving I think).

After some procrastination finally bit the bullet and followed the advice given to me by Ross who hillclimbs his T (with 3.2 brakes) with a vengeance and bought a set of Pagid pads, front and rear.

There are Pagid pads, and then there are the specials. There are expensive Pagids and Very Expensive pads too, so of course I had to have the most expensive ones!

They are 'formulated' for classic cars (ie no servo, small discs and the such like) so perfect for an old 911.

Oddly hard to buy, so plumped for the set from Design911 who give good details and the full range for M and A callipers, the A's are the same pad as the 73 S alum callipers. Price possibly OTT but got a £50 discount (PCGB) and paid just over £450 the car set (!).
This cost is comparable to Carbone pads.

Fitted the Pagids the other evening in the shade and took he car out this morning in the cool hours to break then in.

The Pagid procedure is near impossible to follow in this country due to high speed to 40 mph repeatedly etc, so broke them in 'my-way' which seems to have worked. Used the A5 and M54 motorways as it was safest...

So, what are they like for this investment?

Markedly better.

Really positive instant from cold response and firm retardation from normal speeds, 60 mph to 30 and to 15 to zero etc with no squeeeeels and grouching of the old 13 year old Carbones.

New discs were 'contaminated' by the Brembo pads, so cleaned that off the discs with some gentle braking and then 10 hard (medium pedal pressure, whatever that is left foot braking at constant speed (60) and you could feel the braking improving every time.

Some mile to allow cooling and then 10 firm braking from 60 to 30 and some less firm runs after allowing cooling in between. On the way back took a country B road I know very well by Shrewsbury and used the car normally like I drive the Boxster and the brakes are great. Good slowing down with the foot almost resting on the pedal, no snatching etc and quiet.
Tried an emergency stop of sorts and that was impressive too.

So, a great start, will see how they progress and how long the pedal feels this firm (not hard) and if the dust diminishes.

I'm pleased!