Specialist cars of malton

[Sam]

new update on 911uk .. new administrators report saying now Hawkins owes £8.5 million

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=139106 ... &start=180

To be precise it says £8.5m claimed, not owed.

Yep. Claimed by 60 folk who were owed. 64 others didn’t bother claiming, so it’s more.

[Bootsy]

Makes Andrew Mearns look like a petty criminal

[gridgway]

new update on 911uk .. new administrators report saying now Hawkins owes £8.5 million

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=139106 ... &start=180

To be precise it says £8.5m claimed, not owed.

Yep. Claimed by 60 folk who were allegedly owed. 64 others didn’t bother claiming, so it’s probably more.

[hot66]

Mearns ( Gmund) has admitted to it :

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/luxury- ... -1m/319879

[Lightweight_911]

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Probably realised that the evidence was stacked against him so changed his plea in the hope that this would be taken into consideration when sentenced ...

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[IanM]

Mearns ( Gmund) has admitted to it :

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/luxury- ... -1m/319879

Why did the trial take place in Sheffield?

[Nine One One]

Mearns ( Gmund) has admitted to it :

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/luxury- ... -1m/319879

Why did the trial take place in Sheffield?

Because that is probably where one of the victims cited their crime to have taken place, or could be because his partner was once a local Councillor and a solicitor, that it was not deemed appropriate to hold the case in their own area?

[210bhp]

This car was being sold on SOR and has strangely gone from the showroom.



Distinctive so let's hope the owner gets it back.

This car now on sale at Paul Stephens by the looks of it.

Regards
Mike

[911hillclimber]

How does all that 'chain' work out in this case?

Rel owner arrives at the Malton place and agrees terms, leaves the keys there.
The car waits for a new owner which it gets and the car is driven away by someone who is honest. The car is not in Malton's name.(?)

Malton gets arrested and soon sentenced.

Real owner is left in the lurch, Malton is richer etc.

Does the real owner get his money?

[Bootsy]

I'm not sure - I would (with limited knowledge of the law here) presume the original owners get's car back as it's still lawfully theirs and Malton / Mearn has the money from the unsuspecting new buyer who has lost out - unless money can be got back.

[Sam]

My understanding is that it’s the other way round.

The original owner has given the retailer a product to sell with no immediate payment, just a contract that says they will pay in the future. They’re a supplier in the same way a wholesaler would be to a shop.

If the retailer doesn’t pay the supplier has to pursue them for payment. If the retailer goes pop before paying the supplier then they become an unpaid creditor and join the queue behind hmrc, employees etc.

[gridgway]

It's complex as it's not a supplier retailer b2b arrangement. The SOR seller is an agent for the owner. So not a creditor as such.

Also there's fraud involved but just a bankruptcy.

[Nine One One]

They are all CRIMINAL offences..........to date he has pleaded guilty to 16 charges of FRAUD, which could be obtaining property/money by Deception.
He has not entered any plea for a number of THEFT charges, which will relate to the same vehicles, he sold on, and kept the money.
The Court can order compensation to the victims, or could make a restitution order against the current owners, who may then have to sue him for their money back. Either way it will be a complicated case to get the money back one way or another.

[sng45]

I remember this happening at one of Mearns open days

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MY-Gd5IeH0o

[Sam]

It's complex as it's not a supplier retailer b2b arrangement. The SOR seller is an agent for the owner. So not a creditor as such.

Also there's fraud involved but just a bankruptcy.

Ah ok. As ever it’s complicated.

I don’t think it’s fraud for the Malton case tho, unless I’ve missed that.

(Hello Graham)