Back in beige
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- Darren65
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Re: Back in beige
Well......seal purchased, engine in, drive around the block???
What's happening?
What's happening?
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Re: Back in beige
Seal purchased, engine in. I didn't start it as it was too late and I didn't want to wake the neighbours' kids.
Will fire it up tomorrow morning.
Will fire it up tomorrow morning.
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Re: Back in beige
Fired-up engine and pinned it to 2500rpm to continue the cam burn-in. Was feeling pretty cool, so I started to make a video to show the engine sound.
About seven minutes in, I noticed another big puddle of oil under the bellhousing. Exactly the same place as last time.
I dunno.
I'm guessing it's a high-pressure situation in the engine somewhere, and the rear main seal is the weakest point. I don't know the pressure as the 912 only has an 'idiot light' to warn if it gets too low.
I pulled the engine and flywheel (22 minutes this time), shut the garage and walked away. f*** it.

An aside: made these tinware supports last night from stainless.


Leaky seal (brand new, correctly installed):

Mating surface of the flywheel to seal looks OK.

About seven minutes in, I noticed another big puddle of oil under the bellhousing. Exactly the same place as last time.
I dunno.
I'm guessing it's a high-pressure situation in the engine somewhere, and the rear main seal is the weakest point. I don't know the pressure as the 912 only has an 'idiot light' to warn if it gets too low.
I pulled the engine and flywheel (22 minutes this time), shut the garage and walked away. f*** it.

An aside: made these tinware supports last night from stainless.


Leaky seal (brand new, correctly installed):

Mating surface of the flywheel to seal looks OK.

'68 912
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Re: Back in beige
Any crank movement ?
James
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Endfloat or lateral?
I haven't checked either, the engine having new bearings etc. Perhaps I ought to.
I haven't checked either, the engine having new bearings etc. Perhaps I ought to.
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On a plus note, the engine sounds fantastic, is epically smooth and very revvy. The throttle response 'snaps' instantly when you crack the throttle. It feels like it will be good once this is sorted...
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Re: Back in beige
I'm not an expert on the 4cyl engines but I wouldn't have thought the oil should pool behind the seal like that is there a drain hole in the case that could be blocked?
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Back in beige
Are 912's like vw?
End float should be checked as its a simple one, but that shouldn't cause a leak immdiatly . Was the crank checked
Have you checked the seal against the flywheel
Edit : I imagine it will not be anything with the crank but just something simple,
End float should be checked as its a simple one, but that shouldn't cause a leak immdiatly . Was the crank checked
Have you checked the seal against the flywheel
Edit : I imagine it will not be anything with the crank but just something simple,
James
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1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1963 Honda C100 Supercub
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
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2010 987 Spyder
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Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
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Re: Back in beige
Can you still talk to the engine builder or are you beyond this with him now??
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Re: Back in beige
Did you use a new (thin metal) 'gasket' between the crank & flywheel ?
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Re: Back in beige
Maybe worth having the genuine seal, although that one looks decent quality but the sealing lip must be deep set to avoid the radius of the flywheel.
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Re: Back in beige
From the pictures it looks to me as though the seal isn't in the case far enough, it has to bottom out inside the case bore, same as a vw seal, There's a lip that it butts up to, as yours is fitted currently the sealing lip will be rubbing on the radiused part of the flywheel spigot,
use an old seal to press the new one in with to get it passed the case edge, if you follow my drift,
Cheers
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use an old seal to press the new one in with to get it passed the case edge, if you follow my drift,
Cheers
Andy
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Re: Back in beige
Are you sure that seal is installed correctly? Looks like it's not far enough in to me. Usually flush against the case at least, if not a mill or so inset. That will kill a rear seal in no time as it is not seating against the right part of the flywheel shoulder.
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jamie
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I checked and the seal -appears- to be seated as far into the case as it goes.
Good call on using the old seal though - I'll do this.
Got me wondering if this might be something more sinister, like a crankcase pressure problem. Don't know why it would be, but it's on my mind.
Good call on using the old seal though - I'll do this.
Got me wondering if this might be something more sinister, like a crankcase pressure problem. Don't know why it would be, but it's on my mind.
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jamie
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Long gone, I'm sorry to say. He just massively lost his shite with me for the powdercoating thing and generally lower standards of workmanship.Robind wrote:Can you still talk to the engine builder or are you beyond this with him now??
I was initially very upset. Now I don't care at all. This is still a learning process for me and I've never pretended otherwise. It's my car and I work to the standard I work to (even if it does mean installing two leaking main seals).
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