1972 911S - to RS conversion - whats a fair price ?

[Dragon]

I am looking after the sale of a LHD 1972 MY 911 2.4 S , non sunroof coupe which is no longer original or matching numbers . In 1998 the owner spent a considerable sum meticulously converting this into a 2.7 RS replica with ATELIER RS 73 , France . The documented conversion consisted of

• New Porsche original rear welded steel flared arches ,
• Bare Metal Colour Change from Yellow to Mint Green
• Lightweight Interior
• GRP bumpers front and rear
• Ducktail Spoiler
• Alloy Rear Trailing Arms
• New Bilstein Dampers front & rear
• 944 Turbo Front Callipers
• Up rated torsion bars 18 mm front ,26mm rear
• Momo Steering Wheel
• 2687cc engine to RS Spec, built on a 1975/76 case – upgraded with the later hydraulic cam tensioners and high compression pistons
• 6" x 15 “Fuchs all round , the rear Fuchs have a most unusual offset , but are genuine Fuch

The car was painted Mint Green at the time

The car is in great condition , has 33 km’s mileage , with no major rust issues . I am finding it very difficult to set a fair price in this market and have been given a range of valuations already from a few specialists

This is not a fishing exercise, car will be shortly for sale, but I would appreciate any advice as to potential values members on here feel the car may have ?

Many Thanks
Kieran

[Bootsy]

I'm struggling with this.....

" Bare Metal Colour Change from Yellow to Mint Green "

Unless my little mind has finally flipped the car pictured is not Mint Green!

[Nick Moss]

It's a 72MY, not 71.

[Lightweight_911]

All 6x15" Fuchs have the same offset (36mm) - those rears look like 7's.

If the F&R torsion bars were upgraded, the fronts can't be 18mm - the std ones were 19mm.

Can you post some pictures of the engine (is it on correct spec 2.7RS mfi ?) & interior as these will have a significant effect on value ?

What happened to the original 2.4S engine ?

[Dragon]

I'm struggling with this.....

" Bare Metal Colour Change from Yellow to Mint Green "

Unless my little mind has finally flipped the car pictured is not Mint Green!

To clarify - originally signal yellow , re painted Mint Green in1998 , painted red in 2006

Sorry for any confusion
Kieran

[210bhp]

Kieran

It's a pity it's not still a signal yellow 2.4S. It would be worth A LOT more.
As Andy was hinting, the engine spec now and if the original engine is still around will be paramount to it's current worth. A pic of the engine and it's numbers will be needed for a fair valuation.

Regards
Mike

[hot66]

more photos posted on IB's

http://s234.photobucket.com/albums/ee30 ... 1QQtppZZ24

[Dragon]

Kieran

It's a pity it's not still a signal yellow 2.4S. It would be worth A LOT more.
As Andy was hinting, the engine spec now and if the original engine is still around will be paramount to it's current worth. A pic of the engine and it's numbers will be needed for a fair valuation.

Regards
Mike

Mike
Original engine is long gone I'm afraid - hence the whole value puzzle

Numbers are as follows

Chassis Number :9112300199
Engine Number is : 6360196
915 Gearbox Number :3410137

I will check the torsion bars and post pics of the engine - I have an SC and don't know a lot about these earlier cars so I ask for forbearance from more expert DDK' ers

Owner is settling on an asking price of E45K - will post a proper add when I get picces sorted

Regards
Kieran

[hot66]

unless someone is planning on returning it to a 2.4S, I'd say 45k euro's is too much ( although don't know if there is a premium over the water ? ) There have been other 2.7MFI engined RS reps in a lot better condition that have sold for less in the past 12 months. Body does look nice & solid, but that cheap blow-over with all that overspray could hide anything or nothing .

If it's to be returned to a stock 2.4S ( non matching numbers ) , then at that price I'd say it might just be cost effective , depending on wether you can do body & paint yourself or wether you pay someone else to do it .

[Lightweight_911]

The car looks like it's got a few 'issues' & doesn't give the impresssion that it's been particularly well looked-after in recent years ...

What's up with this area ?



The paintwork & general fit of bumpers, lights, etc doesn't inspire confidence.

Black-painted exterior trim looks to be peeling.

I don't know if it's just me but in the picture of the stamped VIN the '230' looks like it's deeper that the other digits... & what's with the pop rivet to the rhs of the VIN ?

[964RS]

Andy you read my mind.

This car does not look like a quality conversion to me.

It certainly doesn't look anything like a 45k euro car...but best of luck with it

[Cortina]

My Golden rule is "if in doubt - walk away" ... I would be in doubt !!

Looks like a South of Ireland "import registration" number (irrelevant comment)

[Dragon]

I do appreciate the constructive comments

The Rear Lights need fitting correctly - the car does need small bits doing and they will be done - the spray job is good – probably bad photo’s .

The conversion was done by ATELIER RS 73 , France,

if anyone can offer advice based on some pictures – great and much appreciated – that was the purpose of the post –personally I wouldn’t knock a car on minor cosmetics in pictures – I ‘d want to see it in the flesh and look for rust , before running away !


Kieran

[hot66]

the thing is .... such bad overspray , which appears worse on the offside than the near, tends to indicate a really cheap rushed blow over ... this sends warning signals to anyone viewing a car as you really don't know whats underneath ....... + if they couldn't be arsed to mask up the car properly, what else has been bodged up ?

Not trying to slag the car, as you're correct, a lot of the time it needs to be seen in the flesh, but on the face of it it is not a £45K car .

[Dragon]

Not trying to slag the car, as you're correct, a lot of the time it needs to be seen in the flesh, but on the face of it it is not a £45K car .