Re: LYY 911D Restoration
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:28 am
Bill is 'Dingbat'
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Well, the first thing is to strip out any financial argument: that is absolutely nobody's business. Period. We've got very used to 'our' cars being restored with a likely profit at the end. With a few exceptions, most restorations untaken by most people on most 'normal' classics come nowhere near being worth what the process has cost. However, if you factor in the learning process, research, meeting people, satisfaction and then, perhaps, ten years of depreciation-free pleasurable motoring, the sums look a little better.Dingbat wrote:Hi
at the risk of being shouted down I have to ask, why bother, what is so relevant about this car that makes it worth saving not that it can be saved because if it is restored how much of it is going to be "that" car, and what about the small matter of the missing vin tags are Porsche going to issue replacements although there are certainly other routes to getting some, now I don't know how much a '67 S costs this week but I can be pretty sure that its a damn sight less than the cost of trying to put this back together, elsewhere on this site there is a '65? being rebuilt using salvaged sections from an imported 912, extreme but a fair bit is still going to be the original car, there was swampy the rotten and burn't 2.2S which looked fairly skeletal before big bad Barry had its way with it and every fitting that could be salvaged was saved and reused and it still retained its identity, Visualfix took on an amazingly awful 67'S and between the body people and his efforts to source and rebuild the missing items an S was put back together from a bunch of orphaned parts but the bones of its shell went again, and nearing completion is Ferrymans '74 Carrera, truly dreadful but retaining its original engine etc it has been pretty much reshelled but not just by building into another car but by actually building most of a new car although where practical elements of the original body were retained, but I would suggest that many SWB panels are simply not available. I know its good to push boundries and new techniques can be developed by trying to do what was previously considered to be impossible but to do this car is a bit daft, its not filling any missing gaps in Porsche development, its not of some great historical interest its mostly a money pit of the first order, a far better thing to have gone for would have been Eve that LWB development car, that would be a satisfying thing to do, it was mostly all there and had a very interesting history turned up by the chaps that found it, and I think it was a bargain when sold I thought it would go for more. I know a lot of money was spent buying this at auction but if someone I knew bought something like this I would tell them to cut there losses and bale out unless they have a mental amount of disposable income they are determined to dispose of but I guess it takes all kinds, I have a 356 cab underway of which the only original bit of metal connecting the front to the rear is the top of the "transmission" tunnel but again it still has its original bulkheads, I only wish it was me that had done most of the work, I farmed it out to a creative genius who has worked a small miracle with it, I don't want to be on the receiving end of a bunch of abuse or to upset the buyer but I don't see how this car can be restored short of finding a big pile of NOS parts or an unused RHD shell but who knows whats out there.
….most definitely the best bit, even without the depreciation factorBarry wrote:However, if you factor in the learning process, research, meeting people, satisfaction and then, perhaps, ten years of depreciation-free pleasurable motoring, the sums look a little better
Dingbat wrote:Hi
at the risk of being shouted down I have to ask, why bother, what is so relevant about this car that makes it worth saving not that it can be saved because if it is restored how much of it is going to be "that" car, and what about the small matter of the missing vin tags are Porsche going to issue replacements although there are certainly other routes to getting some, now I don't know how much a '67 S costs this week but I can be pretty sure that its a damn sight less than the cost of trying to put this back together, elsewhere on this site there is a '65? being rebuilt using salvaged sections from an imported 912, extreme but a fair bit is still going to be the original car, there was swampy the rotten and burn't 2.2S which looked fairly skeletal before big bad Barry had its way with it and every fitting that could be salvaged was saved and reused and it still retained its identity, Visualfix took on an amazingly awful 67'S and between the body people and his efforts to source and rebuild the missing items an S was put back together from a bunch of orphaned parts but the bones of its shell went again, and nearing completion is Ferrymans '74 Carrera, truly dreadful but retaining its original engine etc it has been pretty much reshelled but not just by building into another car but by actually building most of a new car although where practical elements of the original body were retained, but I would suggest that many SWB panels are simply not available. I know its good to push boundries and new techniques can be developed by trying to do what was previously considered to be impossible but to do this car is a bit daft, its not filling any missing gaps in Porsche development, its not of some great historical interest its mostly a money pit of the first order, a far better thing to have gone for would have been Eve that LWB development car, that would be a satisfying thing to do, it was mostly all there and had a very interesting history turned up by the chaps that found it, and I think it was a bargain when sold I thought it would go for more. I know a lot of money was spent buying this at auction but if someone I knew bought something like this I would tell them to cut there losses and bale out unless they have a mental amount of disposable income they are determined to dispose of but I guess it takes all kinds, I have a 356 cab underway of which the only original bit of metal connecting the front to the rear is the top of the "transmission" tunnel but again it still has its original bulkheads, I only wish it was me that had done most of the work, I farmed it out to a creative genius who has worked a small miracle with it, I don't want to be on the receiving end of a bunch of abuse or to upset the buyer but I don't see how this car can be restored short of finding a big pile of NOS parts or an unused RHD shell but who knows whats out there.
Conversely I'd much rather see a fully documented rebuild/recreation than something completely unknown.Barwaut wrote:The car will be very hard to sell....
Not sure why that would be the case. Everyone knows what the car is and its history. This car has providence that is clear and stacks up. It has the chassis number stamped on the kneepad under the dash, it has the engine with the right number, it has the identifying number stamped on the body panels. It has well documented Porsche Cars history, etc etc.Barwaut wrote:OK, complete bodywork, and then what to do with the chassis number?
As far as I can see, it's rusted away on the original shell.
So, in the end there will be stamped something, this thread will live forever on the interweb (cached by several sources)
The car will be very hard to sell....
And when there's a similar car (with a correct VIN) on the lot? which one would you take?IanMcLeod wrote:It would not put me off buying the car.