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Wow, thats incredible Jason. With a car having had a full resto, you’d thin’ it would of had a proper repair.

PorscheBarry wrote:What is unknown is the condition of the pipes as they go through the kidney bowl, the only resolution is to do it properly and replace both pipes.


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That would be the decent thing to do really wouldn’t it

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Unbelievable !

I'm sure that this episode has soured your enthusiasm for the car - hopefully, however, this will just turn out to be a (rather painful) 'blip' & you'll soon be screaming around the local roads giving everyone the 'one fingered salute' ...


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964RS wrote: After another hour we finally got the rubber hose removed….not to find a braze repair but a 3” gap between the two brass oil pipes that had been patched with an 8” rubber hose and 6 jubilee clips…

Sorry to see that.

Alan @ CanfordClassics wrote: ...The rubber pipe is not the repair it was simply used to separate the lines from knocking together. If you need to increase visibility simply remove it...

I would say visibility has been significantly increased now. Oof indeed.

At least you know where you stand, now... I hope you get it sorted and enjoy the car, in the not-too-distant future.

Lightweight_911 wrote:.

Unbelievable !

I'm sure that this episode has soured your enthusiasm for the car - hopefully, however, this will just turn out to be a (rather painful) 'blip' & you'll soon be screaming around the local roads giving everyone the 'one fingered salute' ...


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TBH Andy it’s soured my ownership of Porsche all together and completely screwed my plans of going to CLM this year with it.

After 25 years of Porsche ownership and endless cars I honestly never thought I’d feel like this but it’s really made me pretty sick and down about all things Porsche.

Hey ho first world problems and all that….

Can’t really express my feelings on a bodge carrying the life blood of your engine.

Welding next to a rubber hose.
Words fail me.

Hope you can get it repaired properly (seriously intrusive…) and get back out in it to restore your spirit.

Having suffered something similar whereby a.n.other supposed specialist refitted a MFI pump 180deg out, these people should be named and shamed

Shocking, just shocking

Aw shite, man.

But don’t stress it, you’ll get it repaired, start enjoying the car again and soon forget it ever happened.

Seems weird, though, that Alan’s post you quote suggests carrying out a proper repair - why would he suggest that if he knew it was going to expose this? Could this be another repair and the rubber sleeve Alan mentions is elsewhere?

A job easy to hide but not so easy to cover up.

Going by the time frame between your initial findings and ‘the reveal’ I would imagine you have given every opportunity for this to be rectified properly by discussion and agreement. I hope what should happen is now going to happen. I would say you need a photographic record of the work.

Sorry this has dented your enthusiasm Jason but I would get it sorted and move forward. Nothing else for it.

Regards
Mike

210bhp wrote:A job easy to hide but not so easy to cover up.

Going by the time frame between your initial findings and ‘the reveal’ I would imagine you have given every opportunity for this to be rectified properly by discussion and agreement. I hope what should happen is now going to happen. I would say you need a photographic record of the work.

Sorry this has dented your enthusiasm Jason but I would get it sorted and move forward. Nothing else for it.

Regards
Mike

Not really Mike.

I had some very large quotes to rectify it and so it got put in the garage till I could summon up enough courage to cut the thing open….knowing the outcome was unlikely to be a positive one.

Today just happened to be that day…

If I read Alan's commentary properly, the work involved in a proper repair was 3 days for the metalwork and pipework. Then the paintwork.

Yes it's a sizeable job and very unwanted (with what was hoped to be a car near perfect) and horribly invasive, but not massively massive. Maybe I've been inured to such things and have got it completely wrong.

gridgway wrote:If I read Alan's commentary properly, the work involved in a proper repair was 3 days for the metalwork and pipework. Then the paintwork.

Yes it's a sizeable job and very unwanted (with what was hoped to be a car near perfect) and horribly invasive, but not massively massive. Maybe I've been inured to such things and have got it completely wrong.

But those 3 days of extra work shouldn’t need to be done in the first place … this isn’t repair work due thats part of normal ownership when buying a restored car but work to correct a hidden bodge job done by a specialist that had claimed the job was done right to start with . This wasn’t a cheap car

I disagree (paying devils advocate). It was a private sale. Who knows what happened between the specialists work and when the private seller subsequently sold. Certainly there is absolutely no contract or obligation between the specialists in the past and the current owner (any specific arrangements about transferable warranty notwithstanding).

If you expect consumer rights levels of support you need to buy from a business seller. If the private seller misrepresented then there would be recourse there.

I have been here personally buying privately with the expectation that the experts had done a good job. I have only myself to blame that it was a pile of poo. I had to sort it out with the private seller to the extent they had misrepresented.

It doesn’t take genius to work out when a bodge like this within the structure of a car that needs the sills cutting off to access was done

Legally you are probo more than correct
Morally?

Either way, it leaves a bad taste and taints reputations

Jason … once the pain of this has passed, you’ll forget all about it when we’re all blasting down B roads having a laugh

This kind of issue is a real pain when it is your property, and I too have been on the rough end of these things but not to such an extent, and it sure does irritate.

All blaming aside, the job needs doing, and if the legal side looks weak then best line-up someone to see the job done who can fix it properly and quickly so you can use the car.
All rather obvious, but you have to move on.
I'm sure this action will further weaken the legal case as you have taken action without consent, but you have that car then to use freely.