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So, he came, we chatted bo££ocks and played brm brms, then he left.

Before fitting anything, we spent some time ultrasonically cleaning the various nuts and bolts we needed, to avoid getting any greasy mess onto the painted panels. Then onto refitting panels. First off we fitted the engine an froot lids, then the doors.


The doors did not go so well. Having fitted new hinge bushes, the hinges were mounted on the doors (struggle 1 – needed to relieve the top and bottom faces of the hinge bushes). Then the driver’s door was hung. IT WON’T CLOSE !!!!

The door was hitting the B-post – by a lot. Much examination and head scratching followed. The good thing was that the door gap seemed wider at the top than the bottom, so not a case of the shell having distorted. Checking left side to right side gave equal measurements, so probably not a shell issue. So we took a break for lunch. Unfortunately, after the break for bacon rolls nothing had miraculously changed – the door still wouldn’t close.

We mounted the passenger door, and that was exactly the same !

More head scratching. Thoughts were leaning towards the hinge part mounted to the door being the culprit. When the doors came back from stripping, the hinge wouldn’t move and took considerable force to loosen them up – maybe I had bent the doors in doing this ?? This line of reasoning was supported by the doors striking the top corner of the closing panel in front of the A-post, so it the part of the hinge on the door could come in and back, then clearance would return and the door would move forwards.


While considering how it might be possible to bend the door at the hinge area, I finally realised that I was a bigger plonker than normal – the hinges were the wrong way around :oops: . When I picked up the first hinge, there were indents from the securing bolts, so that had told me which was around to fit the hinges – turns put one hinge had indents on both sides, and that was the first hinge I fitted. Swapped them around and guess what – the doors actually fit in the hole. Relieved doesn’t cover my emotions at this point.

Needed a big shim on the passenger door top hinge and a thin one on the top driver’s door, and all was nicely lined up along the sills and B-posts. I might add a smidgen more weld to the rear edge of the driver’s door to reduce the gap from 5 to 4mm like the other gaps, but other than that, gaps remain as good as when I fettled them, before the car was stripped.

Then we hung the wings I got from the swap meet. On my original wings I has built up weld on the rear edge of one wing already, but now with my new wings, I need to do the same thing again. The gap is 8mm or so on both sides – nicely parallel, but toooo wide. Also, the wings have fallen out with the froot lid – there are about 8mm (parallel) gaps down both sides.
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The angle of the photo and the height of the wings make the gaps seem better than they really are - I assume that I need to bend the inner wings in slightly to fix this, or maybe flex the wings in at their top flange.


The engine lid hinges need some adjustment. The froot lid was aligned with the scuttle panel. All appears good, except for the off side corner by the scuttle.
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It looks really obvious in this picture that the panel slopes up from the original scuttle to the outer edge of the repair section. Those with good memories will remember that I had to slice the nearside repair panel as it sat too high. I didn’t get time to check and fettle the offside before it went to stripping, but it looks like it will need the same treatment. Both scuttle end repair panels were fitted as low as I could get them – disappointing that both needed significant work. Anyway, should have checked this before paint, but I was getting very nervous about the passing of time and an unprotected shell. Still, it’s only in primer, so no big issue.


So, this is where we left the car
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Almost looking like a 911 again



The next day I tidied up a bit, then attacked the rigid fuel lines. The ferrules looked rather rusty and although the flexible pipe sections looked in fine fettle, I decided to change them. Following the good advice on here, I cut off the ferules with my Dremel
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and removed the flexible pipe sections
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I'm pleased that I decided to do this 'while I was here', as one end of one of the flexible pipes actually looked like it was starting to balloon once the ferrule was removed. and ordered some new fuel injection pipe and some Mikalor double o clamps. I also ordered a new banjo fitting but need to do some research on what the end fitting is on the other pipe.

Not likely to play much now until after the NEC show, when I need to collect some more epoxy primer so I can paint the large pile of shot blasted suspension components taking up space in the middle of the floor. Oh, and I think I need an aircon unit :compress:
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Interesting.

Ref wing/bonnet gaps....
I had 4mm gaps after paint with my original wings and the glass bonnet from my re-build in 1989.
Same bonnet, new Dansk wings and that gap is much tighter and not even.

I think the mastic sealing tape just used crushes far more than the tape (from Porsche) I used in '89 so the gap closed in on me this time.

The one thing that disappoints me on my recent work is the poor quality gaps around the whole car compared to how it was 30 years ago when I last did it all.
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Looking good Peter. Air con in a Targa? Doesn't that defeat the whole object of summer roof off driving?
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When it was as hot as it was at CLM, you didn’t want the top open ! Also useful to clear the mist in the winter - even though I’m also going heated front screen.

Quite a case of 'while I'm in there' though :lol:
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It’s been a while since I posted, and even though I’ve been regularly doing ‘stuff’, there’s not much to show. But, just to bring you up to date ……

I’ve started re-installing the wiring – well, I added the tab sleeves
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I also managed to find the main tunnel loom. It was mixed up with my piles of engine boxes, not with the wiring boxes. It does take an inordinately long time to shuffle boxes around so that you can look into each – especially when you end up repeating the exercise 3 times. That said, as more boxes go into the garage to be refurbed or refitted, the more space is appearing in the loft. This loom is hooked into the rear of the tunnel, but I’m pausing while I decide how to ensure all areas of the inside of the tunnel are effectively treated with protection :?: – whether paint or Dinitrol, or similar (see separate post). While I'm in that area - I have two pull-thru wires to pull the fuel pipes back through the correct route. Unfortunately, my pull-thru for the wiring loom has gone walk-about. Where exactly does that go :?: :?:

Most of my time of late has been preparing the suspension, steering and tinwork type parts. After my recent exertions with Aluminium oxide blasting, I now have piles. Piles of parts or parts in boxes that is, all adorning the garage floor. I have parts needing a strip down, such as heater flapper boxes, pedal box
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Then there’s a box of parts requiring plating, such as swing arm plates, covers, strut top mountings, etc
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I have a ‘needs to go black’ pile that has been blasted, treated with PhosKleenB, desalted and degreased
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I have a ‘needs cleaning and painting black’ pile. At the time of the photo, this pile had the gear lever assembly and steering rack, but they have moved to their own 'needs stripping, cleaning and then Al epoxy' pile.
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A ‘needs priming and to go John Deere Green' pile. That said, I only really need to do the struts, as I have decided to go for new inserts and rear shox. I tested my units against Jonny’s old items – all rebound at near enough the same rate, so are all equally good (or equally not good)
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And bringing us right up to date, as of last night, I now have epoxy primed in Aluminium colour, a pair of rear swing arms
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And a pair of hubs. Just on the background is the breather cover, sitting on the epoxy primered soft drink can :lol:
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Good going Peter, all those piles will get done in time.
It is good to count them and tick them off, getting past the 1/2 way mark is a good place to be.
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Hey Peter, can't believe you haven't got this done for drive it day on Sunday!
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:lol: Thx

Back from hols soon and promise to get back on it (in between the sailing gigs - skippering for Porsche on Tuesday)
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Have you painted the outside or have I missed something?
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We’re a long way from the finish. Only finished painted the underside and inside. Outside still in epoxy, awaiting high build and topcoats.

I have coated the inside of the tunnel with cavity stuff since, but haven’t been back in the garage, so hope it's dried enough for me to install the wiring & plumbing.

Suspension half painted and still needs reassembling.
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Rather a lack of progress of late. First my spray gun regulator decided it had had enough and started leaking from every orifice. Then I went on holiday, and once I came back, went off sailing (it's a hard life, but someone has to do it - I love getting paid to do what I used to pay to do 8) ). It was a Porsche event though (a day out for marketing staff, but unfortunately no goodies came my way). A new regulator and water trap arrived on my return, only to find the regulator didn’t and the water trap was waaaay toooo restrictive. Refund issued and I got a replacement regulator from another source – it leaks from a joint, so is also going back !. Anyway, I bought another spray gun that had a regulator with it that seems to work, but of course the weather has now chilled down again, so I’ll wait until it warms up before attempting to spray more epoxy primer.

SWMBO is making sure I don’t get bored – her birthday present was a pile of sleepers for me to make her some raised flower beds. Firstly the sleepers arrived, all 1.2 tonnes of them, on the morning we’re off on holiday. The truck could only unload them next to the gate, which was open at the time. Soooooo, 1.2 tonnes of workout and they were in the garden and we could set off on holiday.
Now were back, I’ve got rid of the trellises and chopped back the multitude of bamboo plants (I had previously entertained them with 2 doses of nasty weedkiller stuff (the stuff you need to be in the trade to use, but can get off ebay). Now I’m faced with digging out the root stock – and chasing the root runners that seem to have spread into the next county. If I get bored doing that, I’ve got her craft room to redecorate. No peace for the wicked, but lots of sailing coming my way, so if I blink it will be Xmas again !.

Anyway, back to the car. I finally snuck into the garage this afternoon and played with the wiring looms. Thanks to Andrew’s (DougieBoy1) comment on newto912’s steering thread, I stopped looking for a grommet for where the loom passes through the rear bulkhead. The multiplicity of looms was fed through, the rubber ‘inner tube’ outer lining was looped over the spigot in the bulkhead, and it’s looking almost proper.
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Sorry that’s a bit dark.

Then I passed a pull through from the front of the tunnel to the rear, connected the looms (with lots of making tape to hold things tightly together and stop plugs, etc getting snagged) and started pulling. I’d like to say it was easy, but was a right bu99er to pull through. I’ve got blisters and gouges out of my hands, but I wasn’t going to concede defeat, and finally, an hour later, the looms are now poking out of the front of the tunnel :bounce: .
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Quick question – where does the main power cable go ?


While I wait for warmer weather and in between sailing and raised bed construction, I’m going to play with the new (to me) front wings. The gaps from wing to froot is quite large on both sides. I’m assuming that I need to encourage the tops of the inner wings inwards slightly. Once I have the wings in the least wrong place, I intend to make some reference / location holes (for repeatable remounting) and then I can build up the rear edges of the wings to give decent panel gaps to the doors.
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Back again ….
Still unsure where the main battery cable runs from the engine bay and through the body (….pretty please someone ….)

Well the raised beds are finally completed and I’m pleased to announce that I am (ever so slightly) less deep in negative brownie points with SWMBO. Probably not by many and not for long, but let me luxuriate in the meantime :sunny: .
8 off 3ft x 2ft holes, each around 2ft deep saw the bamboo out and onto my trailer. Next out were the 3 short concrete fence posts – each only needing 4ft x 4ft x 3ft deep holes. The PO of the house certainly didn’t want to risk them blowing over in a breeze ! A nice trip to the local tip where they clearly took pity on me, as they didn’t ask to see my trailer permit. I of course had it ready, so they didn’t ask for it. If I’d left the permit at home, then they certainly would have needed to see it before letting me in.

A few more sailing jaunts, including some instructing – that’s new experience for me – had spread my time with the Targa quite thinly, so I was looking forward to getting properly back on the car. That was the signal for my daughter’s Fiesta to lunch its clutch :cussing: . I’ve never seen the main drive face plate come fully adrift from the diaphragm before, but it does make for a tuneful clunky noise when you dip the clutch. A car that has not been apart in 100k miles is not keen to let any of its parts loose, but a mere 10 hours after I started (I thought it would take 2, but have never done a FWD clutch before), the gearbox was finally sitting on the garage floor but the clutch was changed. Thankfully Alexcx the garage bitch came a-calling the following day (thanks mate :occasion5: ), and after a mere 6 hours, including a stop for leisurely bacon and egg butties followed by a trip to the local Ford stealer for replacement lower ball joint pinch bolts, it was all back together and running :occasion7: .

So, what has happened to the Porky in the meantime ??????
We have lots of black suspension parts, inlcuding these and two more piles
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Not sure that epoxy primer was the correct choice for the engine heat channelling tinware, so may need to strip and use VHT. Thoughts ??

My saga of Boxster seats has finally come to closure. I bought a set of fully electric 986 seats but they arrived without the ECU. A few conversations followed where the breakers tried to show that the ECU was not required, but although the passenger seat can be simply rewired, the driver’s seat cannot. They tried for 4 months to source an ECU, then offer £100 refund for me to source my own. Instead I returned the seats and got a manual set. Not quite as good condition, but certainly good enough. So, a quick clean and feed
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and all I need to do now is repaint the runners.


I moved on with some of the suspension. I decided to replace the rear shox, but had already blasted the paint off, so they got some chemical treatment and a couple of coats of primer
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The front struts were blasted, chemically treated, etch primed, primered (top covers of rear shox in rear of photo)
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Then a couple of coats of John Deere green
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And we're ready to swap in the new inserts.
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Anyone need any rear shox or front inserts (or 3.2 seats come to that) ?
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My plans for the car have had to change. I stopped working on the bodywork to focus on routing pipes, wires and lines through the car and fettling the suspension while I waited for the warmer weather. Well, what with all the sailing, the warmer weather has arrived a bit faster than expected, so it’s time to get back to the bodywork.
The garage has been cleared (all the suspension, wiring, etc bits are back in the loft), the floor swept and tool boxes, etc. rearranged so that the tub is now across the garage for easier access.

During this I discovered that the garage floor is not very level at the rear left side corner. I determined that as I watched the drawers in the upper tool box section slowly slide out, causing the box to swallow dive to the floor and distribute its contents far and wide. I had my safety flip flops on, so a quick hop and a skip saw my toes remain on the appropriate feet. :error: :tool: Since then I’ve put my toe-tector boots on !
So, after another weekend sailing, my plans are to set the wing heights relative to the doors, redo the edges of the scuttle patch panels where necessary to match, to mark where I need to build up the rear edges of the wings so that other road users don’t think it’s a gap between cars and pull out on me, and start filling and filler-priming the shell.
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Not going to be around to play with the Targa for a fair few weeks now, but just to bring you up to date ……
It seems very hard to get a replacement pair of strut top caps – the caps that retain the wiper seals. Bilstein won’t sell to the public and most suppliers don’t return my calls or mails requesting costs. So, I took these …
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They’re cracked, but not completely. As they are not load baring or anything and certainly not cosmetic, I got my local welding shop to do a ‘Friday homer’ and I was presented with
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Some grinding, linishing, priming and greening and these will certainly do
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The inserts came with new roll pins, but I need to order new bushes and wiper seals. I finally have a supplier lined up, but need to synchronise between his holidays and mine, so that they can arrive when I’m here.

Must confess to a little crisis of enthusiasm, faced by the enormity of the piles of half started jobs that always seemed to need another 3 jobs completed before I could finish each of them, plus the bodywork elephant. It was so much easier to find other jobs to do, and SWMBO giving me ever longer lists of things that needed attention didn’t help. Top tip – if you cross things off your list, SWMBO adds more. If you don’t cross them off when completed, she doesn’t .

Anyway, given the need to focus on the bodywork during the warmer months, I packed away everything that wasn’t immediate shell bodywork, had a chat with myself and manned up.
First thing that presented itself as I walked in to the garage was the RNS wing. This needed attention where I had cut then welded back the front third, the top (below the targa bar) that had dissolved and been replaced and around the torsion tube hole that had also partially dissolve and been remade.

Cue time for some filler action.
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It’s a bit like my welding – add lots, rub most of it off, add more, rub most of that off, etc, etc, repeat ad nauseum. This is mid-journey. Anyway, it took four lots of filler before I was reasonably happy. The filler covers quite a large area, but is generally very thin although just above the sill by the b-post needed a touch more than a skim. I was blocking it between coats, but intend to block the entire car again using guide coats later on before filler primer and more blocking.

I moved around the rear of the car, next attending to the engine lid. I had filled the holes crudely made to fit the big spoiler that came with the car and attended to a patch of rust under the 911SC badge. Then the OSR wing, which needed the same type of attention given to the NS, but the sill area had needed less patching, so slightly less filling now.
This wing had the mahoooosive dent, that only became visible once the car was paint stripped. I had beaten most of the dent out, but again a touch of filler was needed to hide my lack of skill with the hammer and dolly. Slight vavyness remains, so still needs a touch more filler and better blocking, but time had run out.
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Blew the dust around the garage and even managed to blow some away and out the garage doors. Left if to settle overnight and then out with the spray gun for some epoxy primer
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Had real issues spraying the engine lid – the epoxy came out spitting, whereas it had been sweet on the wing. Can’t think of anything else other than insufficient mixing. I gave it plenty of mixing of the two epoxy components, but maybe not enough after I added the thinners. Anyway, swapped spray guns, added a splash more thinners, stirred and went again. By the time I was onto the second wing, things had calmed down again. Well other than me buying bucket loads of Rust Buster’s 121 epoxy at the November car show when I should have got more 421. The 121 is for underneath the car – it is a lot harder. It was all I had, so needing to cover the filler and bare metal, I used it. So goody goody, more elbow grease needed when I come to rub this lot down.

So that brings us up to date. Not going to get much opportunity to get back in the garage for the next month or two, but then I’ll crack on and complete the rear of the shell. Then comes the front wings and door gaps, plus bonnet / wing / scuttle alignment and gapping fun and games.
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Good progress, and certainly you need to be organised and clear on your game plan with that body!
So easy to drift to other areas, but you seem focused now, so soon be done! :)
Great to see a DIY approach. :cheers:
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Well done Peter, really enjoying seeing this one come together :)
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