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Mick

Credit to you Mick. Nice photo, great cars.

You have a lovely pair

Regards
Mike

Mick, saw the car this morning - looking good.

Another super job and another gem preserved.

I sit back in admiration.

Congrats Mick, [*]

Ian

That looks stunning, great job.

No pics I'm afraid but we have an MoT

Engine seems to be in good condition, good compression and leak down numbers. Had a problem with the alternator that I am still tracking down, but with a replacement spare 55amp Bosch all seems to work well. Seems to be no reason to strip the motor at the moment, so I'll probably give it a whizz or two until the salt starts to be prevalent then pull the engine out to make it look pretty!

It was running rich but removing and cleaning the thermostatic valve on the MFI sorted that - thanks Jez at Carrera performance for the tip. Quote "a strong motor in there, it's had some mods" from Jez.

Now need to finish the trimming and enjoy it a bit if weather permits. Enjoyed the drive home in the dark from the garage this evening.

Just need to figure out how to get the V5C changed to historic status and get a tax disc without a local DVLA office……

A good night down the pub to celebrate.

Mick

I imagine a call to Bob would reveal a few things about the engine?

911hillclimber wrote:I imagine a call to Bob would reveal a few things about the engine?

First and foremost - wishing all on here a happy, healthy and rewarding 2014, and thanks again for all the help given.

Graham, I did ask Bob when I saw him at his previous works location a year or so back and he either couldn't remember (it was 20 years ago and he has handled a few engines since I think!) or wasn't saying. Also it has been through a few hands since - I believe it was raced in the Far East, and I found this on the LHS dash. I assume it is some scrutineer/race label. I tried to trace a Michael Kunz but no luck so far.



Just waiting for it to stop pissing down long enough for our lane to no longer resemble a river bed to give it a better run. I also need to find out how practical the gear ratios are for regular road use - don't want to be changing gear every minute!

Anyway not a lot of progress over the festive period - too many other distractions. I was also struck down for several days with a bad cold (I have been reliably informed by my resident female medical expert that it was NOT flu, and nothing serious AT ALL. Certainly NOOOO where near the sympathy-earning threshold my lad, not even bad enough to earn a lie-in or release from domestic chores. Pull yourself together man).

What I did get early on in December was a prompt reply from the DVLA changing the V5 to Historic status, colour change to Orange and I suspect its first tax disc for many years. Mated it with my DDK tax disc holder!



And my other DDK sticker



So we are now fully road legal. Carrera Performance checked the corner weighting, adjusted the ride height and tracking when it was in for its MoT, so we are good to go here as well I hope. Following Darren's advice on another thread I have sent off the V888 (?) form to the DVLA to get details of prior owners to see what that reveals.

Next task was to sort out some sun visors - of course the car didn't have any. I managed to get ripped off by the south coast Porsche mans Arthur Daley (stretch ) and secured a good pair of used RHD ones, but they were all black. Now had I waited a few weeks there was another DDK posting for black ones, with black/white to swap …….never mind.

After some research I decided that spraying them was the best option, so after some carefully masking of one side and the e-bay purchase of some 'Natural (off white)' vinyl spray dye …



Coverage was great, texture was perfect, finish was spot on …… colour was crap. Off white my ar$e. So more research and another colour purchased from another maker



Spot on I think. Now just need to spruce up the arms and refit them.
Next I needed to address the fuel tank breather. I had just stuck a piece of 16mm hose onto the breather and left it under the bonnet as a stop gap, but Jez at Carrera Performance recommended one of these. I certainly wasn't going to source and fit all that pipework and expansion tank gubbins shown in Charles' photos earlier in this thread!

https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/ro ... ls-m-trl88

Only tricky bit is the breather has 8mm tails, so some reducer is required from 16 - 8mm. My best solution was a Laguna multi-hose adapter (£2.99 from an aquatic supplier). You can see my spare in the photo below of the finished set up. I used a small existing hole in the inner wing to vent the 8mm outlet.




Should work ok, looks quite neat and will disappear under the carpet. I recently scavenged an old 914 loom off this fine forum, and one piece I wanted was the plug for the blower wiring. Mine had long gone - as they have on most of the other cars I've inspected. Anyway an easy swap over



And on with the cover for the first time as I think I'm done under there for now ……??



My ebay scouring over the festive period also resulted in this leather (railwayman's?) tool bag for £8.50. I prefer to carry a scissor jack and a jack pad as a wheel change option and I have several I acquired in a job lot. What I needed was a nice period-looking practical way of storing one - along with a tool roll etc. I have a temporary tool roll while I wait an opportunity to get together a 'proper one' as you can see. Pleased with that. Nice to find a way to re-use what was clearly a quality item in its day.

(The jack will be getting some TLC and restoration in keeping with its new home)





And finally ….. the next item on the worklist is to fit these.



Lokari wing liners - front and rear. More on this next time…….

Nicely done Mick. I wait to see how you're going to fit eight wheel arch liners with interest

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MT wrote:
Car all reassembled with all the correct bits re-inserted apart from the Pertronix which is on its way back to the US for their tech people to tell me:

1. It works fine, why did you send it to us?
2. It's knackered, but it is clearly because you messed something up during installation and testing, so no replacement. 'Would you like it back, sir? If so p&p will be 25$…."
3. It's knackered and they'd be delighted to replace it FOC.

For info Pertronix came up with Option 4 - It works fine, but we'll send you a brand new one anyway FOC! Received just before Xmas, but not yet fitted.

Sure it does ….. but a good outcome and good service.

Looking at the picture of the Locaris it looks like that there are two pieces per wheel arch?
When I fitted mine they were in one piece per arch although not very easy to fit.

No there are two full sets in the box - I bought a set for Charles (shoestring7) as well - hence his earlier sarky comment!

Mick

Not sure how I missed this thread - fantastic work.

I've got lokaris - they do a pretty good job, but I'm thinking of changing the fittings to rivnuts - it's hit or miss to get self- tapping screws in there consistently and I've had to drill a few extra holes over the years - so probably a good idea to get in place better fixings before you start

sladey wrote:Not sure how I missed this thread - fantastic work.

I've got lokaris - they do a pretty good job, but I'm thinking of changing the fittings to rivnuts - it's hit or miss to get self- tapping screws in there consistently and I've had to drill a few extra holes over the years - so probably a good idea to get in place better fixings before you start

Thanks Mark - you're not so bad at this restoration lark yourself - though i do have one word of advice 'Burgundy'

I thought quite a bit about your rivnut idea and decided against it in the short-term for two reasons

1. I don't have any
2. After some trial fitting I agree with your comment that there's quite a bit of latitude in placement so until I am sure I have them located where I'm certain they don't foul the wheels, or rub on anything, I went for self-tappers. Once I'm confident on location a change to rivets will be the next step.

Anyway, so how easy are they to fit?……. I'm going to show lots of photos and labour the installation a bit in the hope they will help any others speed things up a bit.

Well the instructions are 'generic' at best so a lot of trial and error, on and off, trim and tuck is required. First observation is it's not obvious which are the front and which are the rear! Anyway the rear have a slot for the bumper wing joint and the fronts don't. Not sure why as the first job is to cut one, but I assume it has something to do with the range of bumper options, all with slightly different profiles (but they all still have the joint I think???) Anyway mark and cut a slot like so. Then cut it about twice as wide and 10mm deeper!



Then I found smearing the top edge of the rubber seals on either side with oil was a great help in forcing the liners into position. At the front there is enough access to mount the right-angle bracket on the outside of the liner so mark drill and mount after a lot of test fitting.



Then push the liner in place, drill and fit two M5 screws/nuts



Then push the liner up and in at the rear. Here I couldn't see any sensible location for a mounting bracket, and indeed that a couple of self-tappers directly through the liner and into the inner wing would hold it very rigidly in place.



Interestingly I found the liner only fits really well at the front and back if it is pushed up in the middle so far that the inner edge goes up so far as to reveal a section of the wing joining edge to the inner wing. I would look much 'cleaner', if a little nearer the wheel, if it stopped inside the main arch, but then the profile of the liner would need to be a lot different. It still seals pretty well as it is, so I decided that was how it must be intended to fit. The other side required exactly the same fitment.

LHS looking up



RHS looking up



Only other job on the RHS was to use some automotive body panel sealer to fit a panel over the vent in the new inner wing. This vent would go into the large smugglers box on a LHD car, but on a RHD it goes straight into the footwell providing an opportunity for spray and other crap (and cold air) to get into the cockpit. It was factory sealed in a similar manner on the original inner wing. I will hand-paint it orange when I am going around touching up a few underside bits I missed/scratched/dinged.



And so to the rear. Just a reminder of how big the cavities are here, and how many places there are for mud, water, salt and grot to accumulate and sit and rot away the metalwork

To the front



And the rear



Lots of mental debate about how the liner is supposed to interact with the spring plates, but in the end I opted for quite a bit of trimming, guided by the pre-cut slot for the rear bumper/wing join and a tight fit in the wheel arch

Here I couldn't see a place to mount the support brackets behind the liner, so I mounted them 'in view' as you can see.

LHS to the front



and to the rear



As I said above I will consider a stronger/rivnut fixing if/when I confirm they don't rub etc.

Now on the RHS things are complicated on a 72MY by the oil tank location.



and the oil lines/console



So it was a much more fiddly job, with the need to cut and edge-protect some holes for the lines and the oil sender wiring. That said not as bad as I thought, and it fits in as far as the LHS. The rear edge of the liners on both sides are tight up against the 'J' tube wing supports so they are only reducing clearance by 10mm or less. Hopefully that will be OK!

RH to the rear



RH looking forward



and looking up



No celebrations yet until it has been road-tested, then I need to seal the edges of the rubber to the aluminium with sealant (as recommended by Lokari), and then coat them with stone-chip (again as recommended by Lokari). I am pleased with the fitment and they can only do a LOT of good keeping crap from all those nooks and crannies. We'll see……

Thanks for the guide - I don't think anyone else has done one and I note your comment about burgundy I actually paid someone to fit mine - they swore about it a bit. I've had them on and off again a few times a year over the last 7 years

My rear ones have got the brackets behind the liners so they aren't visible but the are a nightmare to connect onto (hence the Swiss cheese look of my brackets)

The amount of corrosion on my car is probably not a great advert for the liners but as they've been on for the last 70,000 miles or more I do think things would have been a lot worse without them. Actually thinking I it through, the areas they protected haven't changed massively in 7 years (from a poor start) so all things considered they've done a pretty good job so are well worth fitting

I didn't coat or seal mine with anything (from memory the fitters threw away the instructions) - they look scruffy now but aren't disintegrating or anything

Been a while, and lots going on, but not much on the Tangerine Dream.

Lots of 'garage envy' going on down our way with various DDK locals trying their best to upstage the other….. apart from Charles who is not playing ….. yet. My contribution was a decision to dig out the dodgy old floor in my workshop that had suffered at the hands of Dave's Celette, and sink in a 3.5ton dual scissor lift. Getting too old for all that crawling about on a cold floor, and having been watching old Ed China on Wheeler Dealers I decided the time had come.



Not quite finished yet, but the reinforced base for the lift has been laid



and then the shuttering made, piping installed underground for the hoses/wiring and the rest poured



Floor was then coated with some strong self-levelling screed, the lifts loaded into the holes and epoxy painted….. not dry yet so no pics. Needed to get my mate to bring his tele handler (http://www.jcb.co.uk/products/Machines/ ... dlers.aspx) to get them into place…… and even then it was quite a task. What you are supposed to do without one I have no idea. Each half of the scissor must weigh close to a half a ton. Anyway they're in!

And then there was the trip to Essen - but I cannot compete with the photos elsewhere. Enjoyed the whole trip, and the lovely spring sunshine.

And then I decided to sell the TR4A - which went quickly and at a good price, so I 're-invested' in this for more general daily/winter/bad weather/hot climate use than the 911's





Only 24,000 miles from new in late 1990, all verifiable, Porsche FSH from new, owned by a local enthusiast for the past 5 years who has bank-rolled Porsche Reading in that time spending well over £12k with them ensuring it was like new - replaced rubber, hoses, brakes, belts etc etc. It is just like it came out of the showroom. Air con, ABS, 250bhp etc etc

And then when the Tangerine Dream was finally flatted and polished, and all the trim/badges refitted it was time for three nice touches.

1. Bonnet badge courtesy of Mr. Birtwistle.





2. Engine decals courtesy of Ake Olsen





3. Last, but by no means least DDK badge courtesy of Ferryman



Still got to sort the holes I forgot to fill in the passenger door, and the raggy edge to the wing on that side, and fit the sill covers, and my replacement VIN plate that Porsche have now approved and is being made. The original got lost when the front slam panel was replaced back in its racing days, and the procedure to get a new one is quite a palaver, but quite understandable as ringing seems to be on the rise in line with prices. More details of that when (not if!) it arrives.

Have been 'giving it some' in this lovely weather, along with its swb sister.
Still have an annoying leak from the oil sump plate that a new gasket hasn't sorted …… but when that lift is in and working it will be much easier to make a proper job of it, won't it