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Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:33 pm
by Gary71
I know what you mean, but unfortunately my day job is about chasing those mm on every surface and it kind of rubs off!

And once you’ve seen the mismatch you can’t just let it go :)

Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:35 pm
by DustyM
coomo wrote:
Gary71 wrote:Spent a little time on it and I think we have a fix, it’s nearly there, I’m going to have to stop or it’s going to annoy me! :)

To resolve the mismatch I ‘dressed’ (i.e hit it with a block of wood) the 1/4 window flange to gain 1mm. The rest came from trimming the door trim profile to the window frame. The clips don’t work then so the rear three have been replaced with 3M tape. The gap isn’t parallel, and it looks different from every angle, but there is genuinely nothing I can do about that one!

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Thought I was the only crazy one, chashing mm here and there.Sometimes,you have to sit back then realise these cars didnt fit this well when they left the factory.Its the only way to reconcile, the voices in your head! :lol:
Welcome to my world as a restorer, we have to muck around with this stuff everyday. And people wonder why it takes so many hours to put a car together when it only took a week to take it apart!

A minute or two to take those trims off, a couple of hours to get them back on correctly, or in the case of those bumper trims, a mornings work.

As said above we are trying to restore these cars to a fit and finish in excess of how they left the factory because that's where peoples expectations lie in our modern world.

Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:43 pm
by RobFrost
I just spent two full weekends fitting a bonnet and it's not right.

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Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:50 pm
by Gary71
DustyM wrote: Welcome to my world as a restorer, we have to muck around with this stuff everyday. And people wonder why it takes so many hours to put a car together when it only took a week to take it apart!

A minute or two to take those trims off, a couple of hours to get them back on correctly, or in the case of those bumper trims, a mornings work.

As said above we are trying to restore these cars to a fit and finish in excess of how they left the factory because that's where peoples expectations lie in our modern world.
Totally agree, the bumper trim is 5xM5 nuts. Just bolt it on… 2 hours later…

Even the door handle took me 15 mins, that’s just two M5 nuts as well.

Glad I’m not paying by the hour for this part, you make so little progress for so much time!

Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:02 pm
by coomo
if it makes you feel any better.Re jigging these SWB bumper quarters the back panel,making the bumperettes and getting the fit right took me about a month.Thats virtually every day, for a month.Did I mention, im not making custom parts ever again!
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Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:05 pm
by Gary71
Is this a good time to tell you the grille doesn’t fit ;)

I’ll get my coat :)

Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:09 pm
by jtparr
DustyM wrote:
coomo wrote:
Gary71 wrote:Spent a little time on it and I think we have a fix, it’s nearly there, I’m going to have to stop or it’s going to annoy me! :)

To resolve the mismatch I ‘dressed’ (i.e hit it with a block of wood) the 1/4 window flange to gain 1mm. The rest came from trimming the door trim profile to the window frame. The clips don’t work then so the rear three have been replaced with 3M tape. The gap isn’t parallel, and it looks different from every angle, but there is genuinely nothing I can do about that one!

Image
Thought I was the only crazy one, chashing mm here and there.Sometimes,you have to sit back then realise these cars didnt fit this well when they left the factory.Its the only way to reconcile, the voices in your head! :lol:
Welcome to my world as a restorer, we have to muck around with this stuff everyday. And people wonder why it takes so many hours to put a car together when it only took a week to take it apart!

A minute or two to take those trims off, a couple of hours to get them back on correctly, or in the case of those bumper trims, a mornings work.

As said above we are trying to restore these cars to a fit and finish in excess of how they left the factory because that's where peoples expectations lie in our modern world.

Agree…totally…..

It’s the difference that those of us who have done this actually notice…and appreciate…….and those of us who want to do a job properly…..and those who don’t…

Personal pride in what you do….do it properly or don’t do it at all…it’s very simple….in my world anyway

Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:14 pm
by coomo
Gary71 wrote:Is this a good time to tell you the grille doesn’t fit ;)

I’ll get my coat :)
Ha thought no one would notice! Fortunately is only resting.Actually once bolted down it fits really well,for a home cobbled part!

Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:18 pm
by coomo
RobFrost wrote:I just spent two full weekends fitting a bonnet and it's not right.

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OEM or pattern.Not that OEM guarantees anything cept, more numbers on your invoice!

Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:19 pm
by Gary71
I forget sometimes the hours already in these parts. One of the 1/4 bumpers on my car was pretty much scratch built by the time I’d done all the repairs. That it’s still the right shape I regard as a miracle!

The centre panel has had about 6hrs of my work, 2 from Barry and untold from the paint guys. Probably would have been cheaper to buy a new one…

Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:28 pm
by coomo
Gary71 wrote:I forget sometimes the hours already in these parts. One of the 1/4 bumpers on my car was pretty much scratch built by the time I’d done all the repairs. That it’s still the right shape I regard as a miracle!

The centre panel has had about 6hrs of my work, 2 from Barry and untold from the paint guys. Probably would have been cheaper to buy a new one…
Yup been there done that.However, take some solice that one of the Pelican guys, bought factory RS rear bumper quarters to save time having
to fettle old ones.They were so out of shape,I watched him cut them up and rebuild them.At about $1000 aside iirc.

Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:14 pm
by RobFrost
coomo wrote:
RobFrost wrote:I just spent two full weekends fitting a bonnet and it's not right.

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OEM or pattern.Not that OEM guarantees anything cept, more numbers on your invoice!
Dunno but it fitted before it came off.

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Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:26 pm
by 911hillclimber
Recently spent 15 hours 2/3rds doing the ignition on my 3.2 race engine, it will be another 5 hours till finished, no cost in time, but if you are paying then easy to see the cost of a 911 engine rebuild @ £20K plus.
Thumbs up to all the DIY guys here.

Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:12 pm
by deano
RobFrost wrote:
coomo wrote:
RobFrost wrote:I just spent two full weekends fitting a bonnet and it's not right.

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OEM or pattern.Not that OEM guarantees anything cept, more numbers on your invoice!
Dunno but it fitted before it came off.

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Just a trick that I use to make sure that everything goes back precisely in the original position - I drill small holes through the mounting flanges or brackets before I remove the panels, even in panels that get scrapped so I can re-check their original positions....

2.3mm Bosch HSS-G in this case - cut like butter, last for ages, perfect for small self tappers (cant remember the size)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00 ... UTF8&psc=1

:cheers:

Re: My '72 911T

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:38 pm
by RobFrost
Thanks for the tip.