DDK - Die Deutschen Klassiker

BILLY BEAN wrote:The total price paid for the vehicle is £151,200.00 which is comprised of the "hammer" price of £135,000 plus selling commission of £13,500 plus VAT of 20% on the commission which amounts to £2,700. So probably not the "bargain" it first appears.

Except that the figure includes the buyers commission and VAT so the total sale price was £135,000.

If the car was all correct it was a very good buy for someone

I think you'll find the price reflects that the car was re-shelled quite some time ago.

Is it a UK car?
Re-shelled from LHD to RHD?

4th UK car, I believe (RHD).

Thanks.

Re shelled and left to right hand drive, well that would account for the price, perhaps things are not quite so down beat after all!!

veryporky wrote:...and left to right hand drive...

No, is a UK RHD car .

Is it Number matching ?

I'm curious I must admit....and not quite understanding this. Reliable, prolific posters having diametrically opposed opinions (based on their understanding of "different" facts presumably)?

Where has the "fact" that it has been re-shelled come from and what do the (presumably correct) numbers tell us?

Just wondering?

left4dead wrote:the car was re-shelled quite some time ago.

woznot wrote:Is it Number matching ?

By definition, no

I don't mean to be pedantic, but typically the numbers do match when a car is reshelled - it's everything else that changes

So if I grind the numbers off one shell, add the numbers from a different shell (reshelling), it's still matching numbers? I'd be pretty p****d off if I found that had happened to my car.

Age old argument this ... not that I agree with reshells, but does it depend what actual shell was used ... genuine 73 or an SC .... have you just replaced a chassis number or used the doner shell as a source of panels

devils advocate where do you draw the line ..is it any difference to a car that’s had nearly all it metal replaced in a restoration , only original bit is the tunnel and part of the dash and maybe a few bits with the numbers stamped on

Look at Paul’s old ST that you did Nick..

I remember seeing many years ago a 901 being restored by possibly the best body shop in the uk ... that was technically a reshell ... all the 901 specific bodywork bits were being transferred over to a doner shell as original was too gone


Personally, I wouldn’t want a reshell where a chassis number is just swapped over to a decent shell

I’d have a full on restored body on a jig with handmade panels anytime

Nick, it is matching numbers - that's why it's done. And I agree that, other things equal, it makes a car less desirable. However, we both know there are very few UK RHD cars that don't have significant amounts of non-original metal from somewhere or other.

If the buyer was fully aware of what has happened, when and how it was done (pro job or DIY) and paid what he was happy to pay then all is well?

Some are far more 'forgiving' of how things have been done than others. If it is all on the table then the buyer makes his mind up.
If things like reshell etc are hidden from the list of facts then that is another issue obviously.

The selling price seems to be far less than the market price for a perfect car (by today's standards) so I presume the history is declared and the price reflects this.

I too would prefer a restored shell to an SC shell with a 73 car's vin number (say) welded in.
A re-shell suggests a huge accident so brings into question all the car's components and their integrity; have they been replaced or bent back?