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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:39 pm
by Rich Oakley
58A - 71E wrote:So it looks like mine is a Bremen...

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it also has a chrome faceplate with the Blaupunkt letters as per your picture, interesting that it doesnt have the external power supply. Is there a mod for these then Rich which mine could be incorporating? The car is still using the original 6v electrics

Cheers
Hi James,

Yes, yours is a Bremen (or possibly a 'Berlin' which was pretty much a re-badged Bremen). I'll explain about the lack of powerpack in my next slice of Blaupunkt information (1958-65).

Rich.

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:42 pm
by 210bhp
Rich

Fantastic thread. Will turn out to be a great resource for future reference.

Becker radio/cassettes were definitely offered by Porsche as an option. They are listed on the options list for the RS in 1971 in readiness for production in 72/73. The full options list is headed 'Radios for the type 911' so possibly all were available for any model not just the RS.

Blaupunkt Koln
Blaupunkt Bamberg
Blaupunkt Lubeck CR
Blaupunkt Ludwigshafen
Blaupunkt Frankfurt
Blaupunkt Frankfurt US version
Blaupunkt Munster
Blaupunkt Coburg Electronic
Becker Mexico Olympia 169 Stereo

The cost of the above options varied from 405.41 DM (Ludwigshafen) to 1216.22 DM (Mexico).

Regards
Mike

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:46 pm
by Rich Oakley
210bhp wrote:Rich

Fantastic thread. Will turn out to be a great resource for future reference.

Becker radio/cassettes were definitely offered by Porsche as an option. They are listed on the options list for the RS in 1971 in readiness for production in 72/73. The full options list is headed 'Radios for the type 911' so possibly all were available for any model not just the RS.

Blaupunkt Koln
Blaupunkt Bamberg
Blaupunkt Lubeck CR
Blaupunkt Ludwigshafen
Blaupunkt Frankfurt
Blaupunkt Frankfurt US version
Blaupunkt Munster
Blaupunkt Coburg Electronic
Becker Mexico Olympia 169 Stereo

The cost of the above options varied from 405.41 DM (Ludwigshafen) to 1216.22 DM (Mexico).

Regards
Mike
Great information Mike.

Becker were certainly an OEM provider of radios to Porsche and Mercedes throughout the '60, but I know little about their relationship and details of their availability during the early years.

Rich.

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:04 pm
by Rich Oakley
Part 3 (late 1950s to 1965)…

Here’s the next epic slice of Blaupunkt/Porsche 356 history….

Blaupunkt seemed to be one of those innovative companies that changed things for the better from year to year (rather like VW and Porsche I tend to find). In late 1958, Blaupunkt embraced Transistor technology into their car radio sets. Germanium transistors had been commercially available for a decade, but the price point was now low enough to enable car radio manufacturers to incorporate these components into their designs. The Bremen and Stuttgart models were first to receive this transistoristaion (is that a real word?!) and looked like James’s radio above. One box, slightly chunkier than usual, with no external powerpack. These new Bremen and Stuttgart models received the suffix ‘TR’ to their model names (eg: Bremen TR). These radios however, still relied heavily on valves and these would not be eliminated totally for a while.

Late 1959 saw the final two Blaupunkt models in Porsche’s list receive the transistor treatment. The Köln and Frankfurt in their new ‘TR’ guise still had a separate external powerpack, but this time it was a lot smaller and lighter with three germanium transistors on display on the outside of the casing.
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Old vs. New!
There was no need to swap vibrator units around if you needed to change between 6v and 12v. The new powerpacks had internal jumper switches for changing between 6v and 12v and also (on some models), between negative and positive earth. The new powerpack could also be attached to the radio by means of a small bracket at either side. In a 356, it would sit below and to the rear of the radio when mounted in the dashboard.

In late 1961, a re-vamp was on the cards. All of Blaupunkt’s offerings were now ‘TR’ models relying on part-transisitor, part-valve technology. The face of the radio was redesigned with a new faceplate, frequency dial and pushbuttons.
Here’s a 1956-61 Frankfurt….
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Here’s a August 1961 and later Frankfurt…
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The early pushbuttons are much chunkier and squarer thank the later pushbuttons.
The early faceplate has a 15mm window for the frequency dial, incorporating the plastic screen. The later faceplate has a 20mm window for the dial without the plastic screen (the plastic screen is part of the radio on these later models).

The next big leap came one year later in August 1962- the release of the full transistor radio (no valves). These radios were a lot quieter and didn’t take thirty seconds to warm up when you turned them on! Again, it was the two basic AM models, the Bremen and the Stuttgart that received the ‘ATR’ (ALL transistor) suffix first, followed by the Köln and Frankfurt in August 1963. The appearance of these ATR radios didn’t alter dramatically.

In August 1964, Blaupunkt re-designed their radios and a more slim-line version of the range emerged with a much sleeker chassis and smaller, squarer powerpack with no external components…
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It is interesting to note that Porsche had always demanded the ‘Green dial’ screen to match the dashboard clocks in the 356. However, from late 1963, Blaupunkt only produced dial screens with white lettering. The 356 owners would just have to live with white lettering on their radios! Another point is that if your 356 has black dashboard knobs, the Blaupunkt radios would have been fitted to match with black pushbuttons and knobs.

That takes us up to the end of 356 production!

I have some information to follow that will help you identify which Blaupunkt is correct for your 356. Very few Porsche owners opted for the AM radios (Bremen and Stuttgart) especially in later years, so to start with, I’ll give you a quick overview to help identify the era of your radio…

1956- July 1959 Frankfurt
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Chunky buttons, Huge external powerpack.

August 1959- July 1961 Frankfurt TR
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It’s still got the chunky pushbuttons, but now has the smaller, detachable powerpack.

August 1961- July 1964 Frankfurt TR and ATR
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Slimmer pushbuttons, newly proportioned faceplate with larger dial aperture.

August 1964- July 1965 Frankfurt ATR
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Same in appearance to 61-64 Frankfurt, but with slimline chassis and powerpack. White lettering only.

Part 4 will cover year codes so you can identify your Blaupunkt’s age more accurately.

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:41 pm
by 58A - 71E
Rich Oakley wrote:In late 1958...the Bremen and Stuttgart models were first to receive this transistoristaion (is that a real word?!) and looked like James’s radio above
Ahh, it makes sense now, thanks, (given mine is a '58 car) :)
Rich Oakley wrote:There was no need to swap vibrator units around
:shock: Glad about that...I think :lol:

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:21 am
by johnM
Great thread,

Mike (210bhp) is the Bamberg a typo as I have a Hamberg in my 70 911.
Blaupunkt Koln
Blaupunkt Bamberg
Blaupunkt Lubeck CR
Blaupunkt Ludwigshafen
Blaupunkt Frankfurt
Blaupunkt Frankfurt US version
Blaupunkt Munster
Blaupunkt Coburg Electronic
Becker Mexico Olympia 169 Stereo
kind regards

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:32 am
by 210bhp
johnM wrote:Great thread,

Mike (210bhp) is the Bamberg a typo as I have a Hamberg in my 70 911.
Blaupunkt Koln
Blaupunkt Bamberg
Blaupunkt Lubeck CR
Blaupunkt Ludwigshafen
Blaupunkt Frankfurt
Blaupunkt Frankfurt US version
Blaupunkt Munster
Blaupunkt Coburg Electronic
Becker Mexico Olympia 169 Stereo
kind regards
John
No, I think Bamberg is correct. I have seen pictures of them.

Regards
Mike

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:57 am
by higs356
I have a mate who has a 51 without a radio . The car has a radio blanking plate which sets off the dash better than any radio ...real minimilist look
Hes been offered a period correct radio in exchange for it more than once

Is this an opportunity to extend the thread to "cover" :lol: blanking plates ??? :)

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:22 pm
by Rich Oakley
So, you already have a Blaupunkt in your 356 and would like to know what year it was made. Or you’re searching for that year-perfect radio for your car. Here’s a definitive guide to Blaupunkt serial numbers from the mid 50s through to ’65. The serial number can be found on a small paper label on one side, or both sides of the radio. The radio can be dated by the prefix letter. If this is missing, you may only be able to identify the radio’s era (see above post) rather than the actual year.

Year Serial Number Prefix
1956/57: K
1957/58: S
1958/59: G
1959/60: Q
1960/61: D
1961/62: E
1962/63: T
1963/64: U
1964/65: V

That just about concludes the history of the 356 era Blaupunkt radios. I hope you found it interesting!!

If you have any questions about these early radios, please don’t hesitate to ask. I will be happy to help. Email: richardoakley1@btconnect.com

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:20 pm
by prea50
my telefunken



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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:57 pm
by Rich Oakley
prea50 wrote:my telefunken



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Beautiful! I have owned two Telefunken IA-50s. They are nice radios.

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:54 pm
by 210bhp
This thread is a great reference guide for early radios and much appreciated by me. Thank you Rich.

Does this not deserve to be moved to technical archive otherwise it may get lost through time. Can that be done?

Is there anybody out there who has a similar knowledge from 1965-1973 willing to share?

Regards
Mike

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:00 pm
by Bootsy
Best to leave this in the 356 forum. It won't be pruned. The 911 Tech archive is because the 911 section get's so large we have to prune it.

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:12 pm
by 210bhp
Bootsy wrote:Best to leave this in the 356 forum. It won't be pruned. The 911 Tech archive is because the 911 section get's so large we have to prune it.
Does that mean some stuff in there will eventually get lost forever?

Regards
Mike

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:14 pm
by Bootsy
210bhp wrote:
Bootsy wrote:Best to leave this in the 356 forum. It won't be pruned. The 911 Tech archive is because the 911 section get's so large we have to prune it.
Does that mean some stuff in there will eventually get lost forever?

Regards
Mike
No, we only manually prune it and Moderators only remove stuff that is out of date or now irrelevant. We try to move an Tech advice/comment into the archive and any general 911 chat/pics etc. that is relevant remains in there. There is no auto pruning done on any of those sections.