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Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:22 pm
by Mitch
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Mike, your Vetro looks stunning in all these pics, all those curves and details. That would be my choice for sure, love it.
Mike wrote:The 308 GT4 Bertone design never appealed at all
You're gonna hate this. But since this is the Ferrari thread, no apologies for the hijack :wink:

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Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:51 pm
by theorangeperil
Mike wrote:The 308 GT4 Bertone design never appealed at all
You're gonna hate this. But since this is the Ferrari thread, no apologies for the hijack :wink:

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Good shout Mitch that shot popped up on fb. I'm really starting to like the GT4... :shock: :evil:

Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:44 am
by one-two
Good call - and another car that looks great in brown. More generally, are some of the cars, lines and colours of the mid- to later-seventies making a comeback at long last?

Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:25 pm
by Mike
The Bertone design doesn't really float my boat I have to say, especially that US version with the enormous front bumper and
the indicator repeaters in the wings, not to mention the de-tuned engine......nice picture though.

If I wanted a wedge shaped Italian from the same era it would be the Khasmin for me.

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You've got to love the Pininfarina shape of the 308 though.......

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Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:29 pm
by Mike
So just to finish off the thread with some comparisons and this is the really tricky one. I said earlier that the Ferrari is more about the
ethereal experience of owning a car, and that's really difficult to put into words.

But lets start behind the wheel and in the first place the obvious difference is the driving position, an early Porsche feels high around
you, door tops level with your shoulder, a high dash in front of you and plenty of room above your head, in the Ferrari you sit low and
car seems even lower, really underneath you asopposed to around you. We all know about the legendary build quality of Porsche, the
solid clunk of the doors, everything works with incredible reliability, it’s all about the German engineering, here sitting in the Ferrari,
you feel more connected, the toggle and slider switches, gear knob and steering wheel somehow seem more tactile, as opposed to the
functionality of a Porsche.

The pedals on the rhd versions are similarly off-set but the wheel position is totally different, the 308’s being likened to a Routemaster
bus due to it’s shallow rake. Ferrari seats are not the best it has to be said and while the 308’s are far better than the 246 buckets they
are still thin and not overly supportive, Porsche sport seats win hands down here any day.

Fire up the respective engines and while the Porsche will start on the button, come rain snow or summer heat, the Ferrari needs a little
cajoling into life with a starting procedure that wouldn’t go amiss in a Eurofighter. So while you’re now disappearing off in the distance
I’m now waiting for the car to warm up and settle down, and here for the first time that analogy of the supermodel, she’s woken up but
a little grumpy at the moment, give her a minute or two before you think about any action.....

Clutch is a little on the heavy side until you get used to it but once your off the thing comes alive in your hands, and straight away it’s
the noise in your right ear that hits you, a glorious mix of induction and sucking webers from the intake in the drivers door coupled with
the exhaust note, it really is something special to the Vetro with it’s dry sump and carb’ed homologation engine. It takes forever to warm
up, you're avoiding slotting 2 gear until the gearbox oil warms up so that’s at least fifteen minutes then before you want to put your foot
down. But when you do it’s the 308’s ability to rev that really makes you take note. I’ve always found Porsche’s to make their power mid
way in the rev range and then run out of steam a little as they approach the red line, not here though, this thing just wants to rev all the
way every time, and combine that with a gear change to die for with it's chrome gate, and you begin to realise what this car is all about.

Steering feel is one thing that is close to the Porsche, like the early cars there’s a wonderful lightness to it, but then get the car in the
corners and again the differences show, you can carry more speed in so not so much of the Porsche slow in fast out, more a continuous
even cornering sensation. The brakes have a very similar feel to the Porsche.

It’s difficult though to actually choose a model of 70’s Porsche to compare this 308 too. Comparison road tests didn’t really happen
until the car had been around for a few years, so they were pitching heavier steel bodied fuel injected cars with less power against the
SC as being the current model at the time, and the Turbo which of course would eat it for breakfast off the line.

What would be really great would be to compare the 1975/6 lightweight fibreglass ‘Vetroresina’ to a 74 to 76 2.7 Carrera, the mfi car
against the quad webers, slightly lighter Porsche versus the 40hp more Ferrari, two cars from the same era that are probably worth
roughly the same now nearly 40 years on. I think it could make a great magazine piece, how about a red car with a lime green one.....

To try and sum it up it’s about function over form, if I was doing an European tour then it’s a 911 every time, you throw your luggage
in and off you go with out even thinking about it, check the tyres and oil maybe but that’s about it. If I was going in the Ferrari and you
in the Porsche, you’d be in Calais while I was still reversing out the garage! But at dawn on a Sunday morning as you coax her into life
for the blast down to Goodwood or around your favorite roads and then home, I know which I’d rather be in.

The Ferrari is the high maintenance girlfriend, there’s that supermodel again, the Porsche the steady reliable girl you marry. I would
never call a 911 pretty, but the 308 is drop dead gorgeous, you open those garage doors and your heart skips a beat just looking at
the lines and the shape of the flanks and that's the difference.

At the start of this post I had to Google ethereal just to check: "extremely delicate and light in a way that seems not to be of this world"
and "her ethereal beauty" synonyms: delicate, exquisite, dainty, elegant, graceful, beautiful, lovely; Yep, pretty much sums it up.

I’ll be back in a Porsche one day I know I will, but at the moment I’m having an affair and it’s wonderful. I'm just going down to the
garage now and as I open the door this is the view under the halogen light that will greet me, I wonder what kind of mood she’ll be
in today, that supermodel of mine.....

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Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:47 pm
by 964RS
Thought the GT4 of Regazzoni when he takes Lauda to a party in the film RUSH was VERY cool.

Hope I'm not turning... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:03 pm
by Lightweight_911
Mike wrote:What would be really great would be to compare the 1975/6 lightweight fibreglass ‘Vetroresina’ to a 74 to 76 2.7 Carrera, the mfi car against the quad webers, slightly lighter Porsche versus the 40hp more Ferrari ...

I was surprised to hear you say that the Porsche is lighter - what's the total weight of the grp-bodied 308 Mike ?

Your car looks lovely (but I wouldn't have expected anything else). I must admit I've always liked the early 308 GTB's - apart from a 246 Dino, it's the only non-V12 Ferrari I'd want to own.

Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:56 pm
by Mike
Come to think of it you're right Andy, I was thinking of the steel cars weight at just over 1200kg.
The Vetro is supposed to be 1089kg dry, so must be pretty much the same as the Carrera.

Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:26 pm
by one-two
Great description Mike. I was very surprised by our 308 f/glass - I thought it looked like a million dollars, but expected it to drive like a sack of potatoes. When/if it went at all! Not so, it was comfortable, quickish and completely reliable. Wow! I'd much rather go round a track in an early 911 but, for the road, there's not much in it for me.

Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:31 pm
by mark020
Nice story, nice car. One of the last Ferrari's which look nice imho.

Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:11 pm
by Nige
Sounds like you're having a great time Mike and I've enjoyed reading your updates and feedback.

Just don't go too far down the love affair route as I'm beginning to find similarities with this guy :? :) :

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Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:56 pm
by Mike
The previous owner of the car found this brochure at an autojumble and kindly passed it on to me, he's a nice guy.

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He's now a 3.2 Carrera owner and here on the forum as 'Vetro'

Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:45 pm
by Mitch
wow... that's a good find. And a nice thing to do, great to have with the car.

Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:33 pm
by keith fellowes
Mike,
You should 'use' your new toy, like this chap! At scrutineering for the East African Safari rally that starts this week

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Re: My latest Ferrari.

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:21 am
by Mike
Thanks for posting Keith but that one's only a GT4, so no harm done there if it gets damaged........ :wink: