No none electric car sales from 2030??

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Re: No none electric car sales from 2030??

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Jonny,

Does your 914 EV conversion maintain its original Tesla charger or did you convert it to the standard CCS Type 2, or did you keep the Tesla supercharger socket so you can use their network?
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Nine One One wrote:Jonny,

Does your 914 EV conversion maintain its original Tesla charger or did you convert it to the standard CCS Type 2, or did you keep the Tesla supercharger socket so you can use their network?
Currently has a 7kW charger. CCS is v. expensive at the moment (£3,300) and the Tesla charger hacks are all WIP.

TBH, I am happy with 7kW as there aren't many 'superchargers' round my way.
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To me this is like running your car on 100LL avgas, for people who store their car at an airport and drive their cars in a loop, not a problem. Planning a journey? Great lets do that and you can do your flight plan. Bob can fly in to France and we will pick him up from there. Its great as a hobby or a as a shed.

On the aspect of Greenwashing, we are planning on putting solar panels in our 200 space customer car park. At the moment we have solar panels on the warehouse roof and that covers the average useage of our company and we have 8 EV chargers. On a sunny day we can charge the EVs and my bosses Taycan. But the wiring and network on site is not thick enough to do this. Instead what we do is drip feed our solar back into the grid and the EVs use the power that would have gone to the Warehouse to supply the 300kw fast chargers.
With a carpark full of solar panels each space would make on average/yr 2500kwh which times 200 would seem plenty of juice for the growing EV and 2030 artificial target. But not every EV driver will want a trickle charge like Jonnys 914, they want 300kw or more in the future.
So although we would make on average 500,000kw a year more, we can't get a bigger cable in from the city it would be a larger formula of what we have now. We would sell this green electricty to them to sell to others and they can tell people that it is Greenpeace appeoved.
Yesterday 56% of the electricty was made using fossil fueled power stations. That is alot of C02, of course over a year we will average it out to look better. But this is more creative accounting than the reality.
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Thank you hot66 (James) you got there before me! .Sam please read James attachment fully!
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There is a harry's farm video on this too which is really interesting - https://youtu.be/feSBsLSRkWs

I found it a well thought out factual counter to the floored documentary which is Cowspiracy, which only looks at one type of farming method to produce all its figures.
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sisu wrote:To me this is like running your car on 100LL avgas, for people who store their car at an airport and drive their cars in a loop, not a problem. Planning a journey? Great lets do that and you can do your flight plan. Bob can fly in to France and we will pick him up from there. Its great as a hobby or a as a shed.

On the aspect of Greenwashing, we are planning on putting solar panels in our 200 space customer car park. At the moment we have solar panels on the warehouse roof and that covers the average useage of our company and we have 8 EV chargers. On a sunny day we can charge the EVs and my bosses Taycan. But the wiring and network on site is not thick enough to do this. Instead what we do is drip feed our solar back into the grid and the EVs use the power that would have gone to the Warehouse to supply the 300kw fast chargers.
With a carpark full of solar panels each space would make on average/yr 2500kwh which times 200 would seem plenty of juice for the growing EV and 2030 artificial target. But not every EV driver will want a trickle charge like Jonnys 914, they want 300kw or more in the future.
So although we would make on average 500,000kw a year more, we can't get a bigger cable in from the city it would be a larger formula of what we have now. We would sell this green electricty to them to sell to others and they can tell people that it is Greenpeace appeoved.
Yesterday 56% of the electricty was made using fossil fueled power stations. That is alot of C02, of course over a year we will average it out to look better. But this is more creative accounting than the reality.
Have you considered vanadium batteries as part of your setup? Also, you could open your own commercial charge points to sell direct to the customer - cut out the middle man.

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Went to a car show yesterday in the 914 EV I'm still setting the car up - needs geo etc but am getting to grips with how it drives. It does feel quite spritely but until now no real comparison with anything.

Anyhow, I was parked next to a 997.1 GT3 RS at the show and we just happened to leave in convoy. On the twisties and overtaking I could easily keep up with it - actually gaining on it out of corners. The owner connected through Instagram and said he was struggling for grip - that car has 325/50 rear tyres and I'm on 205s! I had the targa roof off as well! :)

GT3 RS: 297 bhp / ton. max torque 298 ft-lbs @ 5500 rpm
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Hi Jonny,
Is there a build thread anywhere for your 914 EV conversion?
Sounds quite nippy!


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tim69s wrote:Hi Jonny,
Is there a build thread anywhere for your 914 EV conversion?
Sounds quite nippy!


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Jonny Hart wrote:Went to a car show yesterday in… On the twisties and overtaking I could easily keep up with it - actually gaining on it out of corners. The owner connected through Instagram and said he was struggling for grip - that car has 325/50 rear tyres and I'm on 205s! I had the targa roof off as well! :)

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With a £100k Tesla saloon now able to run a long 8 second quarter mile, the discussion over performance is finished. A £2m Chiron won’t do that.

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So I'm thinking that your 1.6 205 must be the epitome of analogue driving left to mankind? I think i need to own one!
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ETA: my experience of Dacia turbo stuff is extremely underwhelming!
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A Citroen AX is the one really. 640kg for a whole car makes you wonder how a Caterham can possibly weigh as much as 500kg.

There are so many glorious engineering details on them and they’re super-aero.

Just typing this made me realise how much I want one. I wonder what you could get one down to with a bike engine, minimal interior and some carbon panels. 550kg?
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Sam wrote:A Citroen AX is the one really. 640kg for a whole car makes you wonder how a Caterham can possibly weigh as much as 500kg.

There are so many glorious engineering details on them and they’re super-aero.

Just typing this made me realise how much I want one. I wonder what you could get one down to with a bike engine, minimal interior and some carbon panels. 550kg?
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