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maverick
noun
1. an unorthodox or independent-minded person.
2. an unbranded calf or yearling.
Origin mid 19th century: from the name of Samuel A. Maverick (1803–70), a Texas rancher who did not brand his cattle.
noun
1. an unorthodox or independent-minded person.
2. an unbranded calf or yearling.
Origin mid 19th century: from the name of Samuel A. Maverick (1803–70), a Texas rancher who did not brand his cattle.
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Good to see you on Sunday. Keep the updates coming
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The engine was so dirty, I wanted to have a good clean up and maybe trace some of the oil leaks!
20210321_170443 by karlhash, on Flickr
20210324_174044 by karlhash, on Flickr
356 carb by karlhash, on Flickr
I started stripping the tinware which i painted 17 years ago with hammerite.
356 by karlhash, on Flickr
356 by karlhash, on Flickr
It was coming off with just a scraper .
356 by karlhash, on Flickr
I did resort to using a small whizzy wheel off the compressor.
356 by karlhash, on Flickr
The rubber mount edges were a bit bumpy so straightened those up.
356 by karlhash, on Flickr
356 by karlhash, on Flickr
But these are still in bare metal and are starting to rust now that I havent painted them yet!
On taking apart the engine for cleaning I found one of the generator stand bolt holes had stripped a thread.
20210316_163635 by karlhash, on Flickr
My ali oil cooler was a bit dirty but didnt take too long to clean.
20210317_145117 by karlhash, on Flickr
20210317_151108 by karlhash, on Flickr
I had purchased a full flow oil filter from precision matters and needed to fit this also so the third piece was going to come off.
20210325_170629 by karlhash, on Flickr
Karl
20210321_170443 by karlhash, on Flickr
20210324_174044 by karlhash, on Flickr
356 carb by karlhash, on Flickr
I started stripping the tinware which i painted 17 years ago with hammerite.
356 by karlhash, on Flickr
356 by karlhash, on Flickr
It was coming off with just a scraper .
356 by karlhash, on Flickr
I did resort to using a small whizzy wheel off the compressor.
356 by karlhash, on Flickr
The rubber mount edges were a bit bumpy so straightened those up.
356 by karlhash, on Flickr
356 by karlhash, on Flickr
But these are still in bare metal and are starting to rust now that I havent painted them yet!
On taking apart the engine for cleaning I found one of the generator stand bolt holes had stripped a thread.
20210316_163635 by karlhash, on Flickr
My ali oil cooler was a bit dirty but didnt take too long to clean.
20210317_145117 by karlhash, on Flickr
20210317_151108 by karlhash, on Flickr
I had purchased a full flow oil filter from precision matters and needed to fit this also so the third piece was going to come off.
20210325_170629 by karlhash, on Flickr
Karl
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Painted with Hammerite!!
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“A REMINDER. I would be grateful if those members who have borrowed bits from me in emergencies (e.g starter motor, oil cooler, etc) would return them and/or contact me”. – Chris Turner RIP
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Took the third piece off the crankcases, distributor gear out but then measured the vertical free play of this part with distributor re installed.
It had plenty so ordered some shims and now the result is within spec.
20210327_163821 by karlhash, on Flickr
Purchased a nice carbide burr and set to carving out a semi circle in the oil passage for the full flow oil filter.
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
this all went fine but even with a large enough semi circle in the upper part I still couldnt push my tube down the hole " oh err missus"
So I had to gently massage the oil way until it allowed full insertion!
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Inserted tube
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Then I tried the cover on with the oil pump gears bolted lightly without a gasket and I was able to turn them freely.
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
then I fixed the stripped thread with a helicoil type thread
tapping
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
inserting the helicoil
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
nice and strong again
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Karl
It had plenty so ordered some shims and now the result is within spec.
20210327_163821 by karlhash, on Flickr
Purchased a nice carbide burr and set to carving out a semi circle in the oil passage for the full flow oil filter.
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
this all went fine but even with a large enough semi circle in the upper part I still couldnt push my tube down the hole " oh err missus"
So I had to gently massage the oil way until it allowed full insertion!
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Inserted tube
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Then I tried the cover on with the oil pump gears bolted lightly without a gasket and I was able to turn them freely.
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
then I fixed the stripped thread with a helicoil type thread
tapping
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
inserting the helicoil
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
nice and strong again
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Karl
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Into the heads next
20210327_163902 by karlhash, on Flickr
Already from reading up profusely about these little engines I can see a problem with the rocker adjustment
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
With too much thread showing out the top of the rocker arm, then the oiling hole to the rocker shaft may not be lined up.
So off with the rockers and
Galling, a new word to me in engineering terms, in the rockers and the shafts.
20210402_153444 by karlhash, on Flickr
20210402_123549 by karlhash, on Flickr
I guess those oil ways weren't letting enough oil in there. New ones needed then........this feels like a budget bigger than I have is on the horizon.
Heads off
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
This will be where one of the oil leaks will be coming from
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
a bit of cleaning
20210403_174258 by karlhash, on Flickr
valves out
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Surprised these sealed as well as they did.
valve cleaning
20210405_190649 by karlhash, on Flickr
Karl
20210327_163902 by karlhash, on Flickr
Already from reading up profusely about these little engines I can see a problem with the rocker adjustment
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
With too much thread showing out the top of the rocker arm, then the oiling hole to the rocker shaft may not be lined up.
So off with the rockers and
Galling, a new word to me in engineering terms, in the rockers and the shafts.
20210402_153444 by karlhash, on Flickr
20210402_123549 by karlhash, on Flickr
I guess those oil ways weren't letting enough oil in there. New ones needed then........this feels like a budget bigger than I have is on the horizon.
Heads off
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
This will be where one of the oil leaks will be coming from
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
a bit of cleaning
20210403_174258 by karlhash, on Flickr
valves out
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Surprised these sealed as well as they did.
valve cleaning
20210405_190649 by karlhash, on Flickr
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Nice work
The simple things you see are all complicated
I look pretty young but I'm just backdated yeah
I look pretty young but I'm just backdated yeah
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As soon as that engine hit the stand ‘to look for oil leaks’ it was going to escalate!
I’ve a sneaky feeling that valve (and it’s matching seat) may just possibly be past their best
I’ve a sneaky feeling that valve (and it’s matching seat) may just possibly be past their best
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Escalate Gary, feels more like a rocket ship and Im holding on for dear life
With the heads off I could see that one of the head nuts had two washers under it instead of just the one.......
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Inside the first barrel I took a look at and the internal wall looks poor.
20210414_192258 by karlhash, on Flickr
So thats new P&C s on the list then might as well go up to 1720 while I am at it .
Bath time for the heads
20210414_152330 by karlhash, on Flickr
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Heads look like they have been worked on before
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Karl
With the heads off I could see that one of the head nuts had two washers under it instead of just the one.......
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Inside the first barrel I took a look at and the internal wall looks poor.
20210414_192258 by karlhash, on Flickr
So thats new P&C s on the list then might as well go up to 1720 while I am at it .
Bath time for the heads
20210414_152330 by karlhash, on Flickr
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Heads look like they have been worked on before
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Karl
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The bearing in the third piece didn't look particularly healthy
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
which didn't bode well for the rest of them. so I bought a torque meister tool to take the flywheel off so that I could look at the rest of the bearinngs.
Ground the edge off first so it would fit into the flywheel and onto the gland nut more.
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Flywheel off
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
and cleaned with a wire brush
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
But the teeth edges dont look so great. Im not sure if I can just redress these to help?
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Oh yeah, I just cut down some old copper pipe to make some barrel holders, probably got the idea from someone elses thread years ago.
I must say that having all this information on line these days doesn't half make a difference to having a more well informed go at this yourself.
And every one elses threads on here and the other forums around the world are a great inspiration. Andrew Slaters has encouraged me to sort out the engine in particularly.
Not only are they fascinating to read but incredibly helpful as we all know.
Sorry gushing over now.
Wheres that pic
20210422_173805 by karlhash, on Flickr
Karl
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
which didn't bode well for the rest of them. so I bought a torque meister tool to take the flywheel off so that I could look at the rest of the bearinngs.
Ground the edge off first so it would fit into the flywheel and onto the gland nut more.
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Flywheel off
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
and cleaned with a wire brush
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
But the teeth edges dont look so great. Im not sure if I can just redress these to help?
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Oh yeah, I just cut down some old copper pipe to make some barrel holders, probably got the idea from someone elses thread years ago.
I must say that having all this information on line these days doesn't half make a difference to having a more well informed go at this yourself.
And every one elses threads on here and the other forums around the world are a great inspiration. Andrew Slaters has encouraged me to sort out the engine in particularly.
Not only are they fascinating to read but incredibly helpful as we all know.
Sorry gushing over now.
Wheres that pic
20210422_173805 by karlhash, on Flickr
Karl
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Apart from the valve not sealing those heads look ok?
Ps I have one of those torque tools. Pls give me a shout if you need any other tools as you are welcome to borrow anything.
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Ps I have one of those torque tools. Pls give me a shout if you need any other tools as you are welcome to borrow anything.
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Cheers Neil, you have already been of great help.
I bought the torque meister because I know I'm going to need it for a few more jobs.
The heads do seem ok, but i'm sure there's room for improvement as my school reports always used to say.
Karl
I bought the torque meister because I know I'm going to need it for a few more jobs.
The heads do seem ok, but i'm sure there's room for improvement as my school reports always used to say.
Karl
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With the flywheel removed I took the case bolts out and then cleaned them.
I have been adopting this process of removal and immediate clean because I know I won't want to do it later.
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Clean nuts
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Case split
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Bearings could do with being replaced. Not down to the copper colour at least.
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Oh yes, forgot to say all the bevelled washers for the case which should have an o ring were absent so I'm surprised the engine didn't spout oil out like a colander.
Karl
I have been adopting this process of removal and immediate clean because I know I won't want to do it later.
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Clean nuts
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Case split
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Bearings could do with being replaced. Not down to the copper colour at least.
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
356 engine by karlhash, on Flickr
Oh yes, forgot to say all the bevelled washers for the case which should have an o ring were absent so I'm surprised the engine didn't spout oil out like a colander.
Karl
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This thread is great. I appreciate your pictures and commentary, especially the engine work. I have to tackle my engine at some point (long way off yet) as I only had it running pretty poorly over 25 years ago.
To be honest, I've never tackled the inner workings of engines, as the micro mm tolerances of this stuff scares the hell out of me. I'm sure I'll learn.
Cheers : )
To be honest, I've never tackled the inner workings of engines, as the micro mm tolerances of this stuff scares the hell out of me. I'm sure I'll learn.
Cheers : )
1959 356A T2 RHD.
Original UK - 500th AFN sale.
Vin 108544
Original engine 1600cc standard - P75269 (missing)
Current engine 1955 1500cc - P35778
Car is awaiting restoration.
Originally silver with red interior
Many oxide induced ventilation holes.
Original UK - 500th AFN sale.
Vin 108544
Original engine 1600cc standard - P75269 (missing)
Current engine 1955 1500cc - P35778
Car is awaiting restoration.
Originally silver with red interior
Many oxide induced ventilation holes.