911E vs 911S
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911E vs 911S
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I'm rather enjoying my 1971 911E at the moment - took it for a great blast this morning and found it comfortable for the slog to some decent roads and then entertaining on the B roads once there. Great all rounder and I could drive it all day (and have) without any issues.
It lacks the top end fizz that makes pressing on good fun and I was wondering if any owners here have had a LWB E and an S and whether they thought the S was really a lot better? I know there are many similarities but the engine is such a big part of the driving experience, especially when you get to some decent roads.
I was having bad thoughts about adding some money and swapping the E for an S or possibly dropping in an S+ spec engine ........
Am I mad or is it worth exploring do you think? I mainly use the car for longer drives / touring / B roads etc and rear seats are a must so rules out some options. I have tried later cars (SC, 3.2, 964, 993 etc) and they don't have the all around appeal of the pre 73 cars.
Thanks
I'm rather enjoying my 1971 911E at the moment - took it for a great blast this morning and found it comfortable for the slog to some decent roads and then entertaining on the B roads once there. Great all rounder and I could drive it all day (and have) without any issues.
It lacks the top end fizz that makes pressing on good fun and I was wondering if any owners here have had a LWB E and an S and whether they thought the S was really a lot better? I know there are many similarities but the engine is such a big part of the driving experience, especially when you get to some decent roads.
I was having bad thoughts about adding some money and swapping the E for an S or possibly dropping in an S+ spec engine ........
Am I mad or is it worth exploring do you think? I mainly use the car for longer drives / touring / B roads etc and rear seats are a must so rules out some options. I have tried later cars (SC, 3.2, 964, 993 etc) and they don't have the all around appeal of the pre 73 cars.
Thanks
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Re: 911E vs 911S
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Re: 911E vs 911S
I have a 2.2E and I love it. The engine has S spec Pistons S spec throttle bodies and heads but runs E cams and E stacks. It's dynoed on Bob Watsons dyne at 170 (new) and 190 after about 6000 miles. Goes well, not sure how it would compare to an S engine but I like it.
John
1970 2.2E Coupe.
2004 996 GT3 mkII
2015 Skoda Octavia VRS TSI DSG.
2021 Toyota GR Yaris Circuit Pack
1970 2.2E Coupe.
2004 996 GT3 mkII
2015 Skoda Octavia VRS TSI DSG.
2021 Toyota GR Yaris Circuit Pack
Re: 911E vs 911S
If you drive on open roads, usually without a passenger moaning at you and like to press on then an S spec motor adds that little bit of extra fizz and does feel quicker from a drivers perspective. Personally the charactor and feel of an S motor is worth the upgrade .....Winding any early motor beyond 7000rpm is always fun. The character of an S IMHO feel more like that of an RS .... Although to be honest when we're all out on a Ddk drive , on the road you can't really say there is much in it between any of the cars ( e's , S's or RS's ) that are running from 170bhp - 220 bhp
Of course , if you're preparing to,commit some cash , possibly a 2.7Rs motor is financially a more sensible option as not only at the P&C cheaper but an RS spec motor will be easier to sell on in the future to anyone building an RS rep
Of course , if you're preparing to,commit some cash , possibly a 2.7Rs motor is financially a more sensible option as not only at the P&C cheaper but an RS spec motor will be easier to sell on in the future to anyone building an RS rep
James
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
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Re: 911E vs 911S
Once, my 73T had a home built 2.4E engine with S P&B but kept the E cams (advice from Bob Watson), mech injection.
Major Dad now has that engine, but when in my T it was magic.
Changed that to a stock 3.2 on bosche etc, and that is a dream road touring combo in the 1000Kg T.
Major Dad now has that engine, but when in my T it was magic.
Changed that to a stock 3.2 on bosche etc, and that is a dream road touring combo in the 1000Kg T.
73T 911 Coupe, road/hillclimber 3.2L
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Re: 911E vs 911S
Yoda what u on about .........whats that white 911 for that u ve got ???????
an E s an E and an S is an S ..................your rep s got more power and torque than either .............and is very drivable !
an E s an E and an S is an S ..................your rep s got more power and torque than either .............and is very drivable !
daily driver 930 SE
currently working through total rebuild '71 2.2 s
caring for '73 2.4 s
recent past;
993 cup;rs cs ; rs ;c2;gt2 ;gt2cs
'76 930, 3.0
'74 3.0 rs
'72/3 2.7 rs ;2.4 E;2.4 E Targa
'71 2.2 s
currently working through total rebuild '71 2.2 s
caring for '73 2.4 s
recent past;
993 cup;rs cs ; rs ;c2;gt2 ;gt2cs
'76 930, 3.0
'74 3.0 rs
'72/3 2.7 rs ;2.4 E;2.4 E Targa
'71 2.2 s
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Thanks all for the helpful comments ...... and Uncle Vic!
The E is quick enough but as James has highlighted, it is the power delivery that is different plus there is some extra shove to go with it. The suggested S pistons and throttle bodies sounds appealing but then so does a 2.7 RS spec motor! The current engine is fine and I don't think it needs a rebuild any time soon so I have been keeping an eye out for a spare engine but nothing has stood out.
Ta
The E is quick enough but as James has highlighted, it is the power delivery that is different plus there is some extra shove to go with it. The suggested S pistons and throttle bodies sounds appealing but then so does a 2.7 RS spec motor! The current engine is fine and I don't think it needs a rebuild any time soon so I have been keeping an eye out for a spare engine but nothing has stood out.
But doesn't have back seats. I often take the gang down to Cardiff in the E it and sneak off to the Black Mountains. Can't do that in the RS. You've had several Ss and an E - do you think it is worth the outlay to swap?Slope330 wrote:Yoda what u on about .........whats that white 911 for that u ve got ???????
an E s an E and an S is an S ..................your rep s got more power and torque than either .............and is very drivable !
Ta
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Re: 911E vs 911S
Cant you re-install some rear seats in the RS replica ?
Andy
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Re: 911E vs 911S
mate, get an S bought. Then upgrade it to RS spec. Job done
simples
simples
Re: 911E vs 911S
It has rather a lot of scaffolding in the back - could cut it out and re-do the interior but seems a shame as it's rather nice at is.Lightweight_911 wrote:Cant you re-install some rear seats in the RS replica ?
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Re: 911E vs 911S
Sell both & buy an S. Or even a 74 Carrera with rear seats & get best of both worlds.
MY 73 2.4S
Re: 911E vs 911S
Yoda,
Take the cage out - you'll see a performance gain from the weight reduction!
For some time I've been running an E to S spec but with high comp pistons and 'intermediate' cams great performance for fast road and the odd hill climb. However currently being rebuilt with std S cams. Will post some notes on here when it's finished.
Tony
Take the cage out - you'll see a performance gain from the weight reduction!
For some time I've been running an E to S spec but with high comp pistons and 'intermediate' cams great performance for fast road and the odd hill climb. However currently being rebuilt with std S cams. Will post some notes on here when it's finished.
Tony
Re: 911E vs 911S
Hmmmm sorry had nt considered the rest of the family and they re growing !
i had 2,2.4 E s only 1, S , but 2 standard 2.7 rs s ....... i snuck the S out today in anticipation of salt any time !
In fairness the E always seemed the most sensible choice for day, to day driving especially around town, out on the open road no question the S on cam is wonderful , maybe i am lucky ,its a short 120 000 miler and never had engine out .......i m ready to be flamed for this but i don't feel its that much less exciting than the rs s
so back to original statement .....enjoy each for what they are ..........however recently helped a pal pass on a viper green replica car u know , had the pleasure of driving it around a bit ............proper 2.7 rs engine BUT with 2.8 barrels and pistons ,raising the compression .........obscenely quick ..........not sure where u would find parts for another !
i had 2,2.4 E s only 1, S , but 2 standard 2.7 rs s ....... i snuck the S out today in anticipation of salt any time !
In fairness the E always seemed the most sensible choice for day, to day driving especially around town, out on the open road no question the S on cam is wonderful , maybe i am lucky ,its a short 120 000 miler and never had engine out .......i m ready to be flamed for this but i don't feel its that much less exciting than the rs s
so back to original statement .....enjoy each for what they are ..........however recently helped a pal pass on a viper green replica car u know , had the pleasure of driving it around a bit ............proper 2.7 rs engine BUT with 2.8 barrels and pistons ,raising the compression .........obscenely quick ..........not sure where u would find parts for another !
daily driver 930 SE
currently working through total rebuild '71 2.2 s
caring for '73 2.4 s
recent past;
993 cup;rs cs ; rs ;c2;gt2 ;gt2cs
'76 930, 3.0
'74 3.0 rs
'72/3 2.7 rs ;2.4 E;2.4 E Targa
'71 2.2 s
currently working through total rebuild '71 2.2 s
caring for '73 2.4 s
recent past;
993 cup;rs cs ; rs ;c2;gt2 ;gt2cs
'76 930, 3.0
'74 3.0 rs
'72/3 2.7 rs ;2.4 E;2.4 E Targa
'71 2.2 s
Re: 911E vs 911S
Whack an S engine in the E and clingfilm your E (matching nos?) engine on a pallet?
1970 911 2.2 S
2004 996 GT3 mk II
Renault 5 GT Turbo
BMW i3 REX
Jaguar F-Pace S 3.0 supercharged.
McLaren 12C spider
2004 996 GT3 mk II
Renault 5 GT Turbo
BMW i3 REX
Jaguar F-Pace S 3.0 supercharged.
McLaren 12C spider
Re: 911E vs 911S
That is a wonderful idea....Ant22 wrote:Sell both & buy an S. Or even a 74 Carrera with rear seats & get best of both worlds.