The XK

The place to post images of your other cars.

Moderator: Bootsy

jtparr
DDK 1st, 2nd and 3rd for me!
Posts: 2237
Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 10:54 pm
Location: london/surrey

Re: The XK

Post by jtparr »

Templates….oh yes….naturally…...by request, the opening is now 1mm bigger than it was originally….to allow for a little thicker build up of paint around the inside of the apertures….this picture shows the chrome surrounds in place to prove it…

Image
1974 2.7 Carrera
(full restoration. now as an RS Touring)
1963 3.8 E Type
( 11 years in the making…………………….)
1952. XK120…the next one ……….……..)
Ian Donkin
DDK rules my life!
Posts: 1304
Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:07 pm
Location: A Southern Northerner

Re: The XK

Post by Ian Donkin »

Having paid a visit to Carter Towers last Friday, I can confirm that this is going to be stunning. Enjoy the updates as and when JP posts them ;-)
2006 RHD 997 Carrera (but DDK remains in my heart - also now no longer)
1972 LHD 2.4T with '73 2.4T CIS motor - gone to a new DDK home
1994 RHD 993 Carrera - gone!
1968 LHD 911L - was the Wife's but now in new hands :-(

#1252
User avatar
Nige
Nurse, I think I need some assistance
Posts: 6594
Joined: Wed Nov 26, 2003 9:11 pm
Location: Denby, Derbyshire

Re: The XK

Post by Nige »

Yup, Barry's work is always off the scale.
jtparr
DDK 1st, 2nd and 3rd for me!
Posts: 2237
Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 10:54 pm
Location: london/surrey

Re: The XK

Post by jtparr »

Part 13

The Metal Meister …part 4

Learn as you proceed

Removal of the rear wings whilst not straightforward…was required…however unlike a 911 which are purely bolted at the front, in the case of a 120 they are ultimately brazed in a few places to assist alignment and maintain their position

They are also bolted from underneath with a curious Whitworth 1/2” headed bolt….with a head that varies from 12mm….1/2”….and 13mm…not much fun when they all need heat to loosen them…whilst upside down and being showered with dried roads debris…..ah..the joys of old cars…

And if that wasn’t enough…unbeknown to both of us, given the gentle spread and settlement of the car over its 70 years they had begun to contribute towards the alignment and rigidity of the central body tub….but that role was only something we realised later…..

Meanwhile….we carried on …with the inevitable rot repairs to the wings, along their top edge…and reinstatement of metal where they had been crudely cut by the factory to get them to fit easily in the first place…cue the customary and elegantly made repair sections

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


Then onto the roof edge….…..


Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


….and re-fit the wings.…..?


Image


Hymm…this doesn’t look right….


That was when we realised something was afoot….cue the porter power tools and push the slumped roof and B panel assembly back into place….fortunately, although the beautifully crafted multi layered edge of roof profiles had been made, they had yet to be fitted…so the car could be eased back into shape and then they were added


Image

Image

Image

Image


…thats better….


Image



This whole episode lead to us taking the decision to make a meaningful improvement to the strength and contribution of both the floor and bulkhead structures….


This is where we started….


Image


Back in the day the original first release of roadster cars were not only aluminium bodied…but had full floor panels made from 3/8” birch plywood….as assembly moved into a proper production process the floors were amended to largely steel…with some plywood access covers….but notably these steel floor panels remained as a pair of bolt in items…so the whole of the floor is bolted….transmission tunnel included…which means a tremendous loss of potential stiffness in the shell

Also….

All XK120’s originally had a pair of 6v batteries, located in purpose made compartmented located behind the seats, which whilst good for weight distribution compromise the storage potential for the car, so we now had a perfect opportunity to make a stronger and stiffer shell….firstly using a single AGM battery in the passenger footwell, we could develop a better storage focussed, but fundamentally a far stronger design of the rear bulkhead…..so an almost chance discovery of the somewhat flexible rear wing issue lead to building a purpose designed and much stiffer integrated solution that would resolve many issues in a single design….included amongst them an invisible location of inertia seat belts


So….first removal…..


Image


And fabrication….


Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


And then the belts….


Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


All I can say is the difference in stiffness was most noticeable …the floors acting in unison with the transmission tunnel which was then linked to a far stronger rear bulkhead made a fundamental change in the way the shell (didn’t) move


And as a final gesture, the original 1/4” flat bar sweat runner reinforcement plates were replaced with a lighter and stiffer steel channel with bespoke inserts, all welded to the floor pans to provide additional stiffness…..upstand reinforcements being part of an overall plan to be adding generous floor insulation and carpet, which will finish flush with the top of the channel sections


Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


Will it change the way the car drives…I have no idea…but fundamentally it has to be better


Thanks for looking…next update should be a little quicker….
1974 2.7 Carrera
(full restoration. now as an RS Touring)
1963 3.8 E Type
( 11 years in the making…………………….)
1952. XK120…the next one ……….……..)
911hillclimber
Nurse, I think I need some assistance
Posts: 18924
Joined: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:26 pm
Location: West Midlands

Re: The XK

Post by 911hillclimber »

Fabulous as ever, a real treat.
Guess much of these cars were designed by intuition and experience while on the drawing board and went to production with a hint of 'I hope this will be OK'.

Mods here where needed and so worth it!

Great progress.
Makes you wonder what Barry has for breakfast...
Last edited by 911hillclimber on Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
73T 911 Coupe, road/hillclimber 3.2L
Lola t 492 / 3.2 hillclimb racer
Boxster 987 Gen II 2.9
User avatar
PeterK
DDK rules my life!
Posts: 1069
Joined: Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:04 pm
Location: GU51 - Fleet, Hampshire, UK

Re: The XK

Post by PeterK »

That Barry is not too shabby at metalwork, is he 👍
'79 Targa - restoration now mainly complete & being driven
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=59756
User avatar
inaglasshouse
DDK 1st, 2nd and 3rd for me!
Posts: 2427
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:35 pm
Location: Surrey, UK

Re: The XK

Post by inaglasshouse »

Great stuff jp. Thanks for posting.
sladey
Nurse, I think I need some assistance
Posts: 8723
Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:08 pm
Location: Nottingham, UK

Re: The XK

Post by sladey »

Fantastic update JP - thanks for sharing - some really lovely work there
The simple things you see are all complicated
I look pretty young but I'm just backdated yeah
User avatar
hot66
Moderator
Posts: 18264
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:17 pm
Location: North Yorkshire

Re: The XK

Post by hot66 »

Love this part of your restos JP
James

1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster

Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast ;)
jtparr
DDK 1st, 2nd and 3rd for me!
Posts: 2237
Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 10:54 pm
Location: london/surrey

Re: The XK

Post by jtparr »

Part 14

The Metal Meister …part 5

Moving backwards……

Which we were doing systematically….from front to rear….so now it was onto the “winglets”….the slim panels between wings and boot….aptly named by Barry

Somewhat rusty….and with a truly dreadful junction to the real inner wings…involving 3 layers of metal…we had a situation to resolve…but first there was also the small matter of the boot edge trim profile which had largely disappeared….requiring repairs to the rear of the inner wings…..cue the classic Barry kit of parts….and bespoke tools to form the same…..

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


So….whilst it would have been lovely to clean up and repair…truth was it was impossible to remove all rust unless we cut them off….


Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


And whilst that might sound a trifle drastic…it actually was the logical thing to do…..as there is a moment in the life of a panel that needs both repairs and modifications that to replace is simpler than to repair….but why modifications you may ask….

3 reasons, that start with the concept of the car…

Early on in the stripping of the car I started on the inevitable retail therapy…..the pleasure in spending money on new parts…..and what a wonderful thing that is…made all the more enjoyable by talking g with specialists that can help you in deciding what to buy……at which time I should introduce Guy Broad and Coventry Auto Components

Guy Broad is run by the man himself…who has modified and raced XK’s for many years…..Coventry Auto Spares is run by Stuart Macneill, a self confessed Jaguar anorak…a truly friendly, helpful and decent Brummie to boot and someone who has made a serious attempt to engage with local industries and suppliers to manufacture better made replacement parts

The immediate question when I first called round to Guy was…”what’s your concept for the car…”….”you want to modify it….sounds good….what are you trying to achieve….once you have an idea of where you want to get to….we can work out how we do it….”

….and so the “Gentleman racer” was born…..a car that would be essentially stock, but devoid of all superfluous exterior brightwork….a decently tuned engine ….slightly stiffer suspension…better brakes…slightly wider tyres, still with a full interior…but modified to be less walnut golf club….a visible hint of racing with the Monza fuel filler cap and subtle refinements to bodywork details but with a serious and hidden approach to stiffening the body shell

One of the earliest 120’s LWK 707, was equipped with such a thing….chiefly as this was the car that ran continuously at a minimum of 100mph for 7 days and nights….almost 17,000 miles being covered…


Image

Image


Plus subsequent C types had a more recessed fitment…more to our liking


Image

Image


So with the need for a Monza filler we had to remove the completely rusted original filler assembly….but I also wanted to change the rear light pods….


Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image


In the early days of the 120 the rear light pods were painted body colour as can be seen on LWK 707 quite why they were a separate cast aluminium item I do not know….after a short time they were changed to a chrome finish….probably to match the original roadster cars which had chromed front indicator units…but curiously enough once the coupe was introduced, the front indicator units became body colour and integrated into the general bodywork…..quite why this did not extend to the rear of the car is a mystery….any way….body colour was the inspiration and a more flowing design taking inspiration from the fronts was what I wanted as the original aluminium lumps are far from sophisticated

So first I made a few mock ups and checked the right height for mounting….which we kept to original in the end

Image

You can see here how lumpen the originals are…

Image

Final choice…

Image

And in metal….


Image


and once having done this we just had to refine the bonnet badge….just because we could….the aesthetic of the half recessed needed to be applied throughout wherever possible

First a trial….


Image

Image


Then the real thing….


Image

Image

Image

Image


Such a simple and elegant solution to creating a recess….but you need years of experience to know how to come up with such things…..


So….what shall we do next……?
1974 2.7 Carrera
(full restoration. now as an RS Touring)
1963 3.8 E Type
( 11 years in the making…………………….)
1952. XK120…the next one ……….……..)
911hillclimber
Nurse, I think I need some assistance
Posts: 18924
Joined: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:26 pm
Location: West Midlands

Re: The XK

Post by 911hillclimber »

My word, no more superlative's left to express the work.

I presume this adventure is also in the world of the Jaguar enthusiasts?
What a treat this thread is.
73T 911 Coupe, road/hillclimber 3.2L
Lola t 492 / 3.2 hillclimb racer
Boxster 987 Gen II 2.9
sladey
Nurse, I think I need some assistance
Posts: 8723
Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:08 pm
Location: Nottingham, UK

Re: The XK

Post by sladey »

Fantastic read and as usual great work by Barry
The simple things you see are all complicated
I look pretty young but I'm just backdated yeah
jtparr
DDK 1st, 2nd and 3rd for me!
Posts: 2237
Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 10:54 pm
Location: london/surrey

Re: The XK

Post by jtparr »

Hi Graham
Actually this is the only forum I have posted on….not sure if a modified 120 is so acceptable to the Jaguar community….maybe I will investigate one day….this forum is much more open minded…. 8)
1974 2.7 Carrera
(full restoration. now as an RS Touring)
1963 3.8 E Type
( 11 years in the making…………………….)
1952. XK120…the next one ……….……..)
User avatar
inaglasshouse
DDK 1st, 2nd and 3rd for me!
Posts: 2427
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:35 pm
Location: Surrey, UK

Re: The XK

Post by inaglasshouse »

jtparr wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:53 pmand once having done this we just had to refine the bonnet badge….just because we could….the aesthetic of the half recessed needed to be applied throughout wherever possible
Of course!
Madness. I mean that as a compliment.
Thanks for posting.
R
Post Reply