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Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:18 pm
by 911hillclimber
Crap then.
could be anything :
doesnt communicate with car
wont take payment]
damaged plug
software problems etc
Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:01 pm
by hot66
Wife’s trip to Edinburgh and back today … 188 miles each way … car will do 250 miles so a top up charge on the way near Gretna and another charge to get home on the way back . Cost of leccy is getting ridiculous .. £0.65p kWh ! … that’s £21 to do 100 miles ( at 3.1 miles per kWh her car is averaging ) …..some fast chargers enroute were £0.79p !!
Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:57 am
by sisu
£21 to do 100 miles, with petrol being £1.6 /litre is 29mpg.
Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:34 am
by Mick Cliff
sisu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:57 am
£21 to do 100 miles, with petrol being £1.6 /litre is 29mpg.
I think that calculation is wrong.
More like 35mpg for petrol (and 43mpg for diesel at £2/litre).
Most modern cars will beat those figures.
Obviously electric is much cheaper if you charge at home on a 'deal' from your supplier.
Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:07 pm
by jwhillracer
I've just filled up our LPG powered VW T4 Trainspotter after a trip to central London and back. The LPG ran out after 320 miles, and it took 68.50 litre to re-fill @ 59.99 ppl.
That works out at 12.82 pence per mile, £12.82 per 100 miles.
16 years ago when we sold our business, the new owners wouldn't give me £1000 for it - I'm ever so pleased that they didnt!
JW
Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 8:39 pm
by RobFrost
I had an lpg petrol hybrid and fuel economy was absurd. But I sold it after the nearby lpg station closed.
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Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:04 am
by rhd racer
hot66 wrote:update on ours , wife has had it a month and done around 3000 miles ! with no problems at all . Always plugged in at home during the day and always kept at 100% as thats what she wants . Absolutly no idea on how much its costing us to charge at home ! .. I'm ok with this as the leccy bill comes out of her account
She's only used public chargers on the trip to cambridge and the other day in Tesco just because she wanted too . Seems to be an EV community at these charge points , she got chatting to a guy at Tescos who was telling her even though tesco now charges £0.22 / KWh its still cheaper than charging at home with the new energy cap of £0.34??
Either way, its quite a nice car to drive about in and even I enjoy it for the mundane stuff.
The wife’s eGolf went in for diagnostics James after battery life dived (to 50% of new range in winter and 75% in summer). They found no faults but asked us about our charging habits, which was 100% battery on the home charger. They recommend only ever charging to 90%, unless you have a journey that demands a full charge. If our ID3 ever arrives we will be changing our charging regime! Shame they never told us when it was handed over to us…
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Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:48 pm
by hot66
Been told to charge to 80%, …. Think the car itself has a setting for this too as when we first got it this kept flashing up , but our lifestyle sometimes goes that we have to do a long run with no real notice . Only have the car for 24 months so might be more of an issue for the next owner !
Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:58 pm
by rhd racer
Ours is certainly a problem for the next owner!
Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:45 pm
by DustyM
As this sort of feedback becomes more widely known to the 2nd hand car buyers out there I imagine it will lead to a high depreciation rate for used EVs.
I wonder how the used car dealers will view it once the cars are old enough to leave the main dealer network?
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Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:46 pm
by IanM
Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 7:07 pm
by Nine One One
There are a number of articles on battery technology in EV’s mainly around the LFP battery or NCM battery.
The LFP are apparently safer, and can be charged to 100% but they give a little less autonomy. But they start to degrade after 3,000 charge cycles.
The NCM advise charging them to 80% and not go on to less than 20% to extend batery life. They can do about 1,500 charge cycles before degrading.
Apparently charging some to 100% continuously and using fast charging all the time, does not help battery life, but everyone seems to have a different opinion as to what is right or wrong?
Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:00 pm
by RobFrost
One of the best measures of how environmentally damaging any manufactured good is, is its price. If an ev costs £40k and needs a new £15k battery every 5-10 years that's a lot of impact.
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Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:04 pm
by 911hillclimber
I guess that most EV's are leased over 3 years. Doubt you would do more than 3K charges over that time (?), so when these EV's get into the pre-owned market they could be close to getting into this battery issue and you could buy an EV on the brink of having the charge capacity problem. Then what can you do but manage your use around this gross inefficiency.
Not looking good with a battery costing Rob's £15K!
Still a lot to learn about real world living with EV's to come before fossil fuels get too much to bear.
Re: The cost of filling up your car ...
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 7:26 am
by Winston Teague
hot66 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:48 pm
Been told to charge to 80%, …. Think the car itself has a setting for this too as when we first got it this kept flashing up , but our lifestyle sometimes goes that we have to do a long run with no real notice . Only have the car for 24 months so might be more of an issue for the next owner !
Bit like the planet really!
