904GTS wrote:I didn't know they fitted Eberspachers to the RS, the owner must have planned a lot of winter motoring.
The Carrera RS was ordered by specifying M471 or M472 option - most other options were available on the touring elec. windows, elec. sunroof, etc. and it's not that uncommon to see petrol heaters on German market cars - given that not many RS owners would leave their cars outside overnight in the winter months, there's not that much point in them now
There were many more restrictions on what could be ordered with a lightweight.
904GTS wrote:Were the Sport Seats an option instead of the lightweight buckets or were standard seats the same as the 911S ?
Option #409 was sports seats finished in vinyl with fabric inserts - 'comfort' seats were standard in the touring and buckets in the lightweights. The fabric centre of the seat is *generally* different on the RS's to same age 'S's - although later cars had the same centre fabric. Leather sports seats were a rare option.
904GTS wrote:From what I have been told the car is not rusty but needs a lot of tlc, the engine is not original either. it is still Viper Green.
Ahem, this is where the problems start..... tlc usually means missing parts / non original spec.
904GTS wrote:I've seen a huge range of figures quoted for RS values recently, obviously as Fly7 says very much depending on condition etc. , having said that anyone like to venture an opinion on this car ? Assume it needs a repaint, is missing the sports seats and Eberspacher, has non original engine but is otherwise "sound"
Ok, this is MY opinion - but I own two 2.7RS's so I tend to keep up with values. Secondly, this is based on the market staying where it is at the moment - if the economy get's wobbled again then prices could come down very rapidly.
In the UK and other RHD markets, a RHD 2.7RS will always command a premium. Two recent examples are the Sea Blau car sold to JKay by AutoFarm in the region of £85k and the white over blue car sold by Hairpin for in the region of £88k. Neither of these cars was particularly good condition (IMHO) and therefore a *top* complete RHD, first 500 car with perfect history and in perfect condition is probably £90-95k.
Now start to work backwards: a LHD in *top* condition is in the region of £75-80k - although some companies are asking silly money for ropey cars - I won't mention names but there is a red car with so many non-original pieces and they're asking nearly £79k for it.
So a matching numbers, perfect condition LHD car is between £75k and £80k - work backwards for the non-matching engine, probably to £65k.
If it needs paint, remove another £10k.
And then start to look at the costs of all the pieces that are non-original. If it has a steel framed duck tail - and many of the cars have had their original aluminium frame tail damaged over the years, it's around £3,000 to £4,000 to get one in good condition.
Door pockets, probably £1,500 for a perfect set; steering wheel if it's non-genuine - again £1,000 to find a good one.
Because the car is a first 500 car it should have lightweight roof, door and bonnet. If not, add some more money to replace those. Many cars had 'SC' doors fitted if damaged in an accident. To source a period door and fit a correct lightweight skin is iro £1,500 per side.
Sorry for babling - the point is: to value an RS, all the boxes have to be ticked: original panels, original tail, original and correct wheels, no accident damage that's been poorly repaired. If any of these is not there, knock money off the price.
To summarise (and then, I promise I'll stop ranting
) LHD, non-matching numbers, probably missing original parts, needing paint £40k to £50k depending on how much else is wrong with the car?
When finished, if all parts corrected, perfect paint £65 - £70k. This is assuming a perfect history - chassis number ties to comission number etc.
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Bless you Mick - sadly there are too many gaps in my knowledge, but many thanks for your very kind words 