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964RS wrote:It’s not been hanging around Rob and I’ve not been staring at it to be honest. It’s been 6 months since finding the leak and has been in the garage over the winter in between other cars. I’ve just started taking those out - which is why it’s become accessible again and only now had its open heart surgery.

There’s definitely been a reluctance to start the surgery though you’re right, knowing the outcome is going to be big £££ when I do and that money is being used on other things at the moment.

But life is a balancing act. Not everyone can throw £££ at every problem they encounter immediately I suspect…so it will be done in time as and when I can and based on what I keep finding and the possible ways forward people are helping with.

You are more than welcome to PM me an offer though lol

I guess it also comes down to what you want to do with it. If you have other car toys to drive and aren't too fussed about driving it, you can leave it in the garage and gather funds for the big repair. If you'd like to get it back on the road, patch the hole and put in a rear cooler hack.

Agree 100% but….

You don’t go out to buy £6 figure sum cars which have been restored to a perceived standard, featured and applauded loudly etc to have to ask yourself these sort of questions

Many of us are fortunate to have other toys but that’s irrelevant here

The impetus for the purchase of this car has been completely quashed and can only raise other doubts in Jason’s mind - again, given the reason for purchase this makes it a very hard pill to swallow

As many people have said on this thread and raised personally with me - this story is an eye opener

Sorry to hear that you've encountered this issue Jason, I hope you're well aside from these hassles.

Out of interest as I've absolutely no idea, how much would it cost to fix this correctly ? presumably a significant amount , assuming nothing else is found .


If you need something interesting to drive over the summer while this is fixed, give me a ring, I seem to have loads of stuff I never drive - I can put you on my Hagerty policy and away you go mate !

Steve

sng45 wrote:Sorry to hear that you've encountered this issue Jason, I hope you're well aside from these hassles.

Out of interest as I've absolutely no idea, how much would it cost to fix this correctly ? presumably a significant amount , assuming nothing else is found .


If you need something interesting to drive over the summer while this is fixed, give me a ring, I seem to have loads of stuff I never drive - I can put you on my Hagerty policy and away you go mate !

Steve

What a thoroughly decent gesture!

Had a beer it's Saturday, the suns out and the summer is round the corner.

I am sure everyone is waiting with bainted breath..... when Alan will chime in and respond to Jasons predicament. Alan was more than happy to respond when the issue materialised. I thought he was a regular poster on ddk.

sng45 wrote:Sorry to hear that you've encountered this issue Jason, I hope you're well aside from these hassles.

Out of interest as I've absolutely no idea, how much would it cost to fix this correctly ? presumably a significant amount , assuming nothing else is found .


If you need something interesting to drive over the summer while this is fixed, give me a ring, I seem to have loads of stuff I never drive - I can put you on my Hagerty policy and away you go mate !

Steve

This is a nice offer.

While you’re borrowing one of Steve’s cars please may I use the yellow car? I love that yellow car.

neilbardsley wrote:Greatworth would certainly repair this for you too Jason.

Seems a good shout.

Stating the obvious, Barry Carter also knows how these fit together (pic from my resto):


I also remember him being creative when Jamie's fully painted car needed a scary tweak with the TIG - headlight bowls? can't remember - with minimum collateral damage. I'm sure he could suggest the minimum disruption way of doing it properly. Although as the pics show, inevitably a fix which does not use multi-part (joined) pipes will be quite invasive.

Good luck getting it sorted. When a 2.2S is on form, on a decent road, in the sunshine, I find you can forget a lot of pain in getting to that point...

Cheers, Richard.

sng45 wrote: Out of interest as I've absolutely no idea, how much would it cost to fix this correctly ? presumably a significant amount , assuming nothing else is found .

Steve

Looking back at what Alan wrote, his estimate was 3 days work for the metalwork and pipe fitting. Then there's cost of the parts, plus the paint. I guess it also assumes no other things to fix found in there.

I fired up the Ridgway-big-bills-o-matic ready reckoner and it said probably more than £5k but probably no more than £10k. Sadly I've had to use the ready reckoner more times than is ideal in my car and race car owning activities

Looking at the Barry pic, the heart stopper is cutting the rear wing half off to access the kidney bowl.
The out sill is not the same big deal, and then the front wing unbolted and the pipe(s) are off.

New pipes would be nice, but with them free off the car, local repairs and pressure testing are straight forward and reliable.
Replace and run the engine while everything is open to check all pipes.

Some keen welding later and back to the same paint shop that painted the car if possible.

No real idea on costs, but a lot of very DIY time/cost saving bar the paint which must be 5K to match the perfection of the car.

Just my opinion, but Greatworth would be my first call, Angus I feel has the right attitude and facilities all in house.

Hope you get it resolved very soon Jason and you get to Le Mans classic.

Nothing particularly complicated in the metalwork and pipe replacement, the make or break will be the paint work.

We have had situations in the past where we have been asked to do repairs on a car that was painted elsewhere not too long previously and to save a lot of grief trying to match the paint we have simply contacted the company that did the previous paint and bought the paint from them to ensure it was the same brand and mix.


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911hillclimber wrote:Looking at the Barry pic, the heart stopper is cutting the rear wing half off to access the kidney bowl.
The out sill is not the same big deal, and then the front wing unbolted and the pipe(s) are off.

New pipes would be nice, but with them free off the car, local repairs and pressure testing are straight forward and reliable.
Replace and run the engine while everything is open to check all pipes.

Some keen welding later and back to the same paint shop that painted the car if possible.

No real idea on costs, but a lot of very DIY time/cost saving bar the paint which must be 5K to match the perfection of the car.

Just my opinion, but Greatworth would be my first call, Angus I feel has the right attitude and facilities all in house.

Hope you get it resolved very soon Jason and you get to Le Mans classic.

I have a 1970 2.2 S which I put through something short of a full rebuild. This entailed removal of the solid oil lines in the sill to replace the small A pillar support ( you may find yours needs replacing too) and outer sill. Unfortunately, this did mean the kidney bowl had to be removed to free the oil lines.
Graham (911hillclimber) is wrong in that it does not require
" half of the " rear quarter to be removed. A section ending just above the kidney bowl is the limit of the metal removal. The outer sill does have to be removed completely. ( in my case for a new sill). There are one or two captive fittings which hold the two oil lines to the intermediate sill but these are easily dealt with. Chesterton coach works did mine and it is not as drastic an operation as it may first appear. I did not need new oil lines.
For paintwork I returned the car to whence it had been repainted several years prior to my purchase. This was a single stage paint. Subsequent stone chips have been dealt with in the same way.
Given the value of your car I would be inclined to get the job done properly and re instate the car back to stock. Oil lines on the outside of the sill is not as straight forward as some seem to think it is and an oil cooler elsewhere would not be something I would consider either. I have had "disappointments" on early 911s due to less than professional outcomes as a result of work by specialists. Once sorted correctly the costs tend to fade in your memory and are less of an issue.

Wot Kirk says. Rear wing trauma is the worst of it, and that's not too bad.

As Philip B mentioned earlier in the thread, there are sources of new pipes. Which would seem a worthwhile peace of mind investment in this case...

Good luck, enjoy once fixed. They are very good cars.

Cheers, Richard.

911hillclimber wrote:Looking at the Barry pic, the heart stopper is cutting the rear wing half off to access the kidney bowl.
The out sill is not the same big deal, and then the front wing unbolted and the pipe(s) are off.

New pipes would be nice, but with them free off the car, local repairs and pressure testing are straight forward and reliable.
Replace and run the engine while everything is open to check all pipes.

Some keen welding later and back to the same paint shop that painted the car if possible.

No real idea on costs, but a lot of very DIY time/cost saving bar the paint which must be 5K to match the perfection of the car.

Just my opinion, but Greatworth would be my first call, Angus I feel has the right attitude and facilities all in house.

Hope you get it resolved very soon Jason and you get to Le Mans classic.

Thanks, Angus has been mentioned a few times as trustworthy

inaglasshouse wrote:

neilbardsley wrote:Greatworth would certainly repair this for you too Jason.

Seems a good shout.

Stating the obvious, Barry Carter also knows how these fit together (pic from my resto):

Cheers Richard, I have spoken with Barry but he's just got too much on at the moment....

Sorry to catch up on all of the latest on this thread Jason, and apologies for not really being in a position to take it on.

I'm booked for the next year or so and whilst normally would squeeze something like this in somehow, I'm having to balance in a bit of family stuff with work.

I do wish you all the very best with it. For what it's worth I see the only option is to replace both pipes complete as that restores the car's value fully (or adds to it). Anything less than that in the eyes of a future buyer will merely be a compromise, but you know all this of course.

Again, all best from here

Thanks Barry, understand how busy you are but it was good to chat about it. Appreciated