1972 ST Clone
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Re: 1972 ST Clone
High butterflies and twin dizzy alone make it a wonderful spec!!!
cheers, Mike.
previously..
1994 968 Club Sport Riviera Blue
1994 993 C2 Carrera Riviera Blue
1972 911S to Martini RSR Prototype Spec
1973 911E to RS Lightweight Specification
1981 924 Carrera GT ex Mexborough car
3.2 Carrera Sport x2
previously..
1994 968 Club Sport Riviera Blue
1994 993 C2 Carrera Riviera Blue
1972 911S to Martini RSR Prototype Spec
1973 911E to RS Lightweight Specification
1981 924 Carrera GT ex Mexborough car
3.2 Carrera Sport x2
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Re: 1972 ST Clone
Thanks for that Mike.Mike wrote:High butterflies and twin dizzy alone make it a wonderful spec!!!
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Kirk, you have a great writing style.
Wish i was as creative. Very enjoyable. And i know the ending.
Wish i was as creative. Very enjoyable. And i know the ending.
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Dave, that is very flattering but not really warranted. Yes you have shared the progress and lack of it along the way so there is no point reading the rest of my drivel!stretch wrote:Kirk, you have a great writing style.
Wish i was as creative. Very enjoyable. And i know the ending.
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Re: 1972 ST Clone
GE40 is pretty much what I run in my 2.4S .. its not far off an S / RS cam so should give you a really nice motor
James
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Yes James. I looked at its profile compared with an S cam and started to regard the GE 40 as an S +. Hopefully you are right in practice on the road.hot66 wrote:GE40 is pretty much what I run in my 2.4S .. its not far off an S / RS cam so should give you a really nice motor
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Great engine spec, should be great fun.
What was used in the 2.7RS, was it a GE60? Or is that a little more racy than a standard 2.7RS cam?
What was used in the 2.7RS, was it a GE60? Or is that a little more racy than a standard 2.7RS cam?
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RSR cams. Reportedly difficult to drive on the road but that might have also been due to other fundamental problems in the set up including fuelling problems.yoda wrote:Great engine spec, should be great fun.
What was used in the 2.7RS, was it a GE60? Or is that a little more racy than a standard 2.7RS cam?
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Re: 1972 ST Clone
RSR’s notoriously unhappy below 4000rpm, ask me how I know.....
Probably the one most important factor in your engine project will be the Mfi pump, who’s doing the build and fuelling set up?
Probably the one most important factor in your engine project will be the Mfi pump, who’s doing the build and fuelling set up?
cheers, Mike.
previously..
1994 968 Club Sport Riviera Blue
1994 993 C2 Carrera Riviera Blue
1972 911S to Martini RSR Prototype Spec
1973 911E to RS Lightweight Specification
1981 924 Carrera GT ex Mexborough car
3.2 Carrera Sport x2
previously..
1994 968 Club Sport Riviera Blue
1994 993 C2 Carrera Riviera Blue
1972 911S to Martini RSR Prototype Spec
1973 911E to RS Lightweight Specification
1981 924 Carrera GT ex Mexborough car
3.2 Carrera Sport x2
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Mike, the engine is built so you will have to wait until I get to that particular part. This whole thread is being created in retrospect.Mike wrote:RSR’s notoriously unhappy below 4000rpm, ask me how I know.....
Probably the one most important factor in your engine project will be the Mfi pump, who’s doing the build and fuelling set up?
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Looking forward to it, with pictures hopefully!
cheers, Mike.
previously..
1994 968 Club Sport Riviera Blue
1994 993 C2 Carrera Riviera Blue
1972 911S to Martini RSR Prototype Spec
1973 911E to RS Lightweight Specification
1981 924 Carrera GT ex Mexborough car
3.2 Carrera Sport x2
previously..
1994 968 Club Sport Riviera Blue
1994 993 C2 Carrera Riviera Blue
1972 911S to Martini RSR Prototype Spec
1973 911E to RS Lightweight Specification
1981 924 Carrera GT ex Mexborough car
3.2 Carrera Sport x2
1972 ST Clone
The 2.7rs used the same cams as the 2.4S.. fundamentally 2.4S and 2.7rs same motor apart from displacement ( and mfi pump had RS spacecam)yoda wrote:Great engine spec, should be great fun.
What was used in the 2.7RS, was it a GE60? Or is that a little more racy than a standard 2.7RS cam?
James
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
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Re: 1972 ST Clone
James, I think the reference was to the original engine on the car when I purchased it. The car was dressed as an RS replica of 2.8 litres and the cams had a very wild profile believed to be RSR.hot66 wrote:The 2.7rs used the same cams as the 2.4S.. fundamentally 2.4S and 2.7rs same motor apart from displacement ( and mfi pump had RS spacecam)yoda wrote:Great engine spec, should be great fun.
What was used in the 2.7RS, was it a GE60? Or is that a little more racy than a standard 2.7RS cam?
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Re: 1972 ST Clone
Couple more pics.
Personally I want to see the engine, but this is what my boss has sent me to post:
Later edit, to add this one:
Personally I want to see the engine, but this is what my boss has sent me to post:
Later edit, to add this one:
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Thank you Richard. I see you are still anxious to see the engine. Obviously the counselling is not working very well
A couple of pretty unformative and gratuitous pictures but it is all I have. Whilst the shell was still at the painters I did a bit of assembly. Front and rear bumpers installed. The GRP was not done yet having a laugh at my expense. Nick the painter and I struggled to get the rear bumper to fit properly and a lot of time was taken with the body to bumper seals but to no avail. Decided to leave it as it was and sort it later.
The "window frames" which had been fairly trouble free to restore were assembled. I say trouble free but the rear quarter frames did grow legs and disappear whilst at the anodizers. A post on DDK though and the culprit owned up and the frames retrieved. The side glass was actually lexan which is as close as I was going to get to "originality" except for a small detail; a period correct logo engraved in each piece of "glass". Dave O'Connor knew the whereabouts of some art work for the logo: thank you Jury for providing it. A couple of young guns in Peckham Saarf London did the engraving. Nice touch the logo and does look authentic.
The drop glass lifters had been restored too. A local guy made up new spring retainer anchors for the main helper spring and he also made some nylon running T section blocks. A local spring company made a few springs for me and I did the rest.
Door locks put in, some wiring for the interior lights, a bit of interior trim, head lining, wiper motor and plates to seal up holes in the area in front of the bulk head as there would be no heat. The heater tubes were capped off each end with something I got welded up locally in aluminium.
Front and rear side light lenses put in which were original Bosch but had black edges which is not "correct" for the vintage of the car but I liked the black contrast with the yellow paintwork. I made up some new horn grills. I was kindly given two damaged black plastic regular horn grills and with a Dremel, modified (butchered) them so some mesh could be added. Mesh courtesy of the local builders merchant.
The two front oil coolers were put in place and the first trial fit of the louvred stone guards with the rubber sealing trim. This was a bit of a struggle to get a good shape of the hand cut rubber prior to fixing it to the stone guards. The stonegurads were made in aluminium by a company specialising in alloy Aston Martin bodywork. Made in two weeks for a very modest sum.
There was time pressure too as Nick the painter needed me to move the shell out of his workshop.
My hearing (or selective deafness as my ex wife would call it)
had started to get much worse and infact I had become completely deaf in one ear. No more stereo reception for me then. Worse: I had tinitus. Continuos noise making the tinitus flare up and become much worse. Given the floor pan had no stone chip to dampen noise I bottled it and added sound proofing to the interior notably on the floor. Dave O threatened me with the "light weight" police and mercilessly took the michael at every opportunity thereafter. Indeed he asked if I was going to fit shag pile carpet, Treadaire underlay and gripper rods. With a mate like that who needed an enemy? But I would have my revenge. Yes Dave you know what is coming........at some point.
So ( modern parlance often used for starting a new sentence) the shell was off back to "the fire" aka Fenn Lane. Was there trouble ahead or moonlight and Roses? We shall see.
Spoiler alert for Richard. More on the engine next.
A couple of pretty unformative and gratuitous pictures but it is all I have. Whilst the shell was still at the painters I did a bit of assembly. Front and rear bumpers installed. The GRP was not done yet having a laugh at my expense. Nick the painter and I struggled to get the rear bumper to fit properly and a lot of time was taken with the body to bumper seals but to no avail. Decided to leave it as it was and sort it later.
The "window frames" which had been fairly trouble free to restore were assembled. I say trouble free but the rear quarter frames did grow legs and disappear whilst at the anodizers. A post on DDK though and the culprit owned up and the frames retrieved. The side glass was actually lexan which is as close as I was going to get to "originality" except for a small detail; a period correct logo engraved in each piece of "glass". Dave O'Connor knew the whereabouts of some art work for the logo: thank you Jury for providing it. A couple of young guns in Peckham Saarf London did the engraving. Nice touch the logo and does look authentic.
The drop glass lifters had been restored too. A local guy made up new spring retainer anchors for the main helper spring and he also made some nylon running T section blocks. A local spring company made a few springs for me and I did the rest.
Door locks put in, some wiring for the interior lights, a bit of interior trim, head lining, wiper motor and plates to seal up holes in the area in front of the bulk head as there would be no heat. The heater tubes were capped off each end with something I got welded up locally in aluminium.
Front and rear side light lenses put in which were original Bosch but had black edges which is not "correct" for the vintage of the car but I liked the black contrast with the yellow paintwork. I made up some new horn grills. I was kindly given two damaged black plastic regular horn grills and with a Dremel, modified (butchered) them so some mesh could be added. Mesh courtesy of the local builders merchant.
The two front oil coolers were put in place and the first trial fit of the louvred stone guards with the rubber sealing trim. This was a bit of a struggle to get a good shape of the hand cut rubber prior to fixing it to the stone guards. The stonegurads were made in aluminium by a company specialising in alloy Aston Martin bodywork. Made in two weeks for a very modest sum.
There was time pressure too as Nick the painter needed me to move the shell out of his workshop.
My hearing (or selective deafness as my ex wife would call it)
had started to get much worse and infact I had become completely deaf in one ear. No more stereo reception for me then. Worse: I had tinitus. Continuos noise making the tinitus flare up and become much worse. Given the floor pan had no stone chip to dampen noise I bottled it and added sound proofing to the interior notably on the floor. Dave O threatened me with the "light weight" police and mercilessly took the michael at every opportunity thereafter. Indeed he asked if I was going to fit shag pile carpet, Treadaire underlay and gripper rods. With a mate like that who needed an enemy? But I would have my revenge. Yes Dave you know what is coming........at some point.
So ( modern parlance often used for starting a new sentence) the shell was off back to "the fire" aka Fenn Lane. Was there trouble ahead or moonlight and Roses? We shall see.
Spoiler alert for Richard. More on the engine next.
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