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64 65 66 Porsche 911 RHD platform and database

Post by redrobin911 »

HI

Prompted by another DDK'er and the desire to find out more information about specification of my own RHD 1966 Porsche 911 I decided to start this thread and database. I could have included information on LHD cars and also 67 and 68 cars but my interest is really in the RHD cars and their changing specification over the first 3 years of production.

The objective of this thread and database is to hopefully provide a platform for owners and others interested to compare specifications and to share information, helping us all when it comes to restoration and keeping our cars on the road. Most of the information contained so far has come from this forum, TYP901 register and from people I know and the cars they own.

The link to the database is below and contained within the database are links to some photographs and also direct links to individual cars / restorations which I'll be updating as time progresses. Please feel free to comment if you think further information is required, also if you have information on any other cars not listed, or if there are any errors - please let me know.

Link to database - https://1drv.ms/x/s!AjqU_6eGmBe4gjS6pDV ... j?e=Q81BSw
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Re: 64 65 66 Porsche 911 RHD platform and database

Post by 210bhp »

Bravo!

That is fantastic. I applaud your start. Great information. I hope anyone who knows about these cars can make this one of the best Ddk reference threads ever! The early S registry in the States are good at this sort of thing. There are only a few early Rhd cars so this can be equally as good or better reference resource. Please support it.....

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Re: 64 65 66 Porsche 911 RHD platform and database

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Well done Robin, good start and a lot of work.
One of my main concerns is how do we make this site known to others when they visit ddk? The world and his mother can help us build up the info (they may know of a car even if they do not own it) but somehow we have to make it easy for all to find the basic site.
Kenik did this sort of work for the early 911s in USA but I think it got a bit too much to maintain and it does not exist anymore (last record I have is 2011).
We don't have that problem with RHD cars even if we include all SWB cars.
But his recordings may help us as he shows
301931, Engine 101962, colour 6406 being in England. Now this could be a LHD but it is only one number away from a known RHD - FWC 2C. No more information known.
He also records
302030 as a RHD in Australia 902131 'born' 30/7/65 - number is a bit out of step I think but possible.
964RS reported that 301459 was reported as being a LHD converted to RHD in an earlier thread..

The pitfalls in organising this sort of record are numerous. I will help as much as I can but stand to be corrected on any info I submit
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Whoops, one more I had made a note of.

Ryan(?) on the 16th May 2013 recorded on the Early 911s Registry as having 302146 RHD completed 14. 9 65 as Austrailian delivery.
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HI Ian

Yes I have all of that info on the database - yes the info comes from other forums and site and mistakes will be made but the more info the less chance of that i hope but do want to be corrected. I split the list a some time to indicate cars that no loner exist - but lets get some more numbers if we can. Anyway I think that it's good to be challenged so will welcome all comments.

I do have leads on some other cars that I'm following up, also Ryan emailed me yesterday and is going to chase up the TYPP901 guys in OZ to see what else lurks. Even at this stage the numbers are impressive - the addition of John Keatley's two 66 cars here in NI is a pleasant surprise.

Re 301459 - i read on one of the forum threads that it was a factory conversion - but i don't think it should be included, again might list the known conversions as that - a conversion rather than keep them on our list?

Re 301931 - yes i'd like to find out more and would make a series of three in a row 1929,30,31 as a series run.

Other cars I'm chasing up are as follows

300882 - been mentioned as a RHD - tourist delivered car to Australia - dated 20th April 1965
304624 - well documented as a LHD to RHD conversion and again in Australia - so not to be included.
302632 - rumoured to be an original New Zealand car - but no other details at the mo.
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I probably have all the info for the 64/65 cars, but that's my specialism really, I can't help with the latter years of SWB. I've worked with Stuart Kay in Australia and we have been through what was built and distributed in RHD to both AFN and Hamiltons. I've been involved with this for over 10 years, when nobody was interested in boring old 65 911's with problematic Solex's. I've met with Ian and we've talked 911's, but the level of interest in these cars in the UK has historically been pretty small. The usual suspects will know most of the conversation for these early cars is on the 911S forum due to volume of numbers.

I agree with Ian though, an external link to a database isn't the way forward. If it's going to be catalogued it should be right here. Kenik tried it, but it was never as successful as the model year transition posts had been. No offence, but there are already mistakes. If there's no protest I can post what I have and will add what RedRobin has listed?

I've also collected the data of the cars which are missing, but posting this sort of information is probably a bad idea. Bob Fleming who has looked after the 901 registry for years kept all the data for the 232 registry, but as it got leaked and therefore shared to a wider audience, it was open to abuse. I'm not pointing fingers, but missing cars started to appear with questionable provenance as the cars increased in value. If someone comes across a missing early RHD car, I'll happily confirm numbers, but maybe we shouldn't promote this?

Who supplied the cars to Ireland, I guess through AFN still?
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I think you make some great points there. It means this thread has already promoted the kind if comment/discussion which it was meant to do. Once you have set your stall out on how to display the information I think the 'known' cars are a good idea keeping the 'unknowns' away from public eye until they pop up. I have similar information on the Rhd 67S cars which should be available here too, maybe on this thread, maybe on its own thread. I will watch progress and add what I can.
Well done to all.

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This is really good, even to a 'hot-rod' 911 owner like me.

The effort will be huge, but will be so good when 'complete'.
The pictures and links to the restorations are great, just read one from the start to present.

I spent 4 years tracking down the chassis number of my 1978 Lola race car and got there, a long journey involving many on the internet and some real surprises along the way and lots of dead-ends, so I feel i understand the task ahead.

Hope the momentum keeps going, there will be a lot of followers.
Brilliant effort and initiative.

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Where to start on a reply?

I suppose firstly the interest shown already on this is exactly what I wanted to see - people coming forwards who have real knowledge about these very early cars. I am the first to admit to having a limited knowledge hence my previous questions on the forum on other posts looking for info for my 66 car and for lists of other early cars to compare with mine etc.

I had no real desire to be the custodian of this database but when I saw an opportunity to kick-start something that could in turn lead to the sort of platform of knowledge i think we all want to see, then I wasn't going to let that go. In that respect I'm equally as happy to let others host the database as I am to continue with it myself. I also hope that through what I've complied in just a few days shows everyone that I have genuine interest.

My vision for what i've started is to create a portal that just simply doesn't list of know surviving RHD cars, the links to photographs and restorations is very important and is only the start of what could be a hub to link all the information currently available, for example to include a link through to each car showing more photographs, kardex, coa's etc, lists of previous owners, detailed history, original specification, changes to specification - the list goes on....... To simply have a list of cars IMO misses the point, as we need a single point of reference that then point us to what information interest us.

To have an external link to a database would seem to me to be the way to achieve this portal, I'm happy to be advised if there is a way of doing the same within our forum. I do feel that nowadays with "cloud" computing that it's as good and as safe a way of doing it. If we include links on the home page of the DDK forum and other Porsche forums Early911s and TYP901 etc. in that way the info should be easy for others to find.

KGK6D - makes some very good points - thank you - I agree the interest in these cars has been small but that's not the case now as SWB seems to be the the new RS in terms of global interest. I do read with interest your comments on the 232 registry and hope that due to the relatively small number of cars were talking about we can make this portal work. I also agree that "missing" vin numbers or missing cars should not be published and as you say only verified when approached. With reference to the NI cars - the silver car was bought through Tuthill Porsche and yes it would be good to follow that up if we are to include detailed histories on each car as part of this project. 5665 SZ was probably brought in by AFN then to NI - I'll ask John and see if he can shed any light on the subject - but again all this information is fascinating and should be included in the database/portal.

Regarding my mistakes - yes i've noticed a few myself - colour codes etc, and probably much more. I suppose there are other mistakes but sort of knew that others would note this and inform me as you have - more than happy to be corrected. Yes I'll take any further information on these cars and include them in the database.

What to do next - firstly I think I'm correct in saying there are no 64 cars? So this needs addressed. Secondly i think that MY67 cars built in 66 should be included as these form part of the transition from 65 through which then begs the question about the remaining MY67 cars and also MY68 cars.

Any thoughts on where we go next................
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HI Does anyone have the chassis number and other details for the PCGB "project 50" RHD 901/911 race car?
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Post by DEEMAN »

Hmm, it seems to me to have been very obviously difficult to find.

I wonder why?

No Robin, I must be out of the loop because, although I have looked, it seems to be elusive - to me at least.

Interesting.

Can someone help?
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redrobin911 wrote:HI Does anyone have the chassis number and other details for the PCGB "project 50" RHD 901/911 race car?
I know a little about the car: http://www.historika.co.uk/car-sales/de ... ockID=8234

It's a 1965 built 1966 model year car chassis number 302191

The story goes that it was sold into Italy to British Armed Forces and then spent the latter years of it's life in the States before coming back to England. I have no 'official' records of the car and would like to see more of it's provenance. It's funny that there's less knowledge at Porsche about these cars these days than the people who own them.

Coming back to our task in hand, I've compiled my data but I'm not sure how to post it up. Is there a way to post up a rich text file?

There is one 1964 901 which although is LHD it does have a relevance to us as it was the first 911 to come to the UK and was the Earl Court show car. I have an article about it which I'd like to add and have asked the authors permission to do so. If he's happy for me to add the photos etc I'll post it.
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I've added the PCGB car to the list - would be good to get a closer look at it, get some engine and transmission details also.

Not sure how to add a txt list but I see an option above when i go to post a reply - could try that.

Yes the Earls Court car, or any other car that is relevant to us should be referenced.
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After trawling through my photos and emails, there's a full article about the first UK car right here: http://www.vierenzestig.nl/1964-porsche ... 300027-64/

There's an interesting note about the importation tax and moving the car around to avoid it :lol: This is the first UK 911.

More info here:
http://thegarageblog.com/garage/an-afte ... e-legends/
http://thegarageblog.com/garage/number- ... ey-begins/
http://thegarageblog.com/garage/number- ... -complete/
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I've updated the database/portal and added 300027 and if you click on the chassis number it will open up a page with more info rather than just a single page to a restoration etc. I've kept the info very simple at this stage as it's just a test page at the mo - tons of info can be added later. Let me know what you think and if its the way to go for our other cars??

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