Kidney Bowls......

burgundyben · Post by **burgundyben** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:23 pm

I cant help but think anyone buying an impact bumper car with the sill covers in place for a price that would indicate good solid kidney bowls, or info from the vendor to that effect, needs to whip the sill covers off as part of the inspection, unless there is good recent history of the kidney bowls having been repaired.

gridgway · Post by **gridgway** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:41 pm

Not at all, that's not what I was saying. The point I was making was that:

caveat emptor applies AND
seller representations have a place in law

I certainly wasn't suggesting that I persoanlly would rely on representations alone when buying, but I would take action against mis-reps.

Graham

gridgway · Post by **gridgway** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:42 pm

whoops, missed my slot!

Bronze 911SC · Post by **Bronze 911SC** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:19 am

I agree with alot of what has been said here. However when the "Specialist" doesn't do a proper inspection and then relays back to you that the car is good you can still end up with a rusty car. My case in point was that I paid good money for my car. I know what I'm doing, however, I'd heard so many horror stories that I got a "Specialist" to check the car.
He managed to miss the rust and the broken master cylinder clips, the oil leak and the countless other serious faults.
The brakes proved to be nearly fatal as I found out when coming down the "Cat and Fiddle" at Buxton. I had my wife and baby in the car and it was only by luck we didn't crash. After this I fully went round the car and found the rest of the horrors.
The "Specialist" took no responsibility for his actions, and wasn't unduly concerned that we nearly died. His time will come.
Basic human decency should prevent people doing this type of thing. After all if you sell a shed and somebody is killed, it can be traced back and you can find yourself in some deep water.
"Caveat Emptor" is fair enough, but polishing a dangerous t#rd isn't!

gridgway · Post by **gridgway** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:33 am

ah yes, that's an entirely different aspect of buying cars. What liability does the expert have when you pay them to do an inspection? I suspect as you have found there is little comeback.

Of course selling a car in a dangerous condition is a topic in itself. Did you buy privately or through a dealer?

Glad you didn't die!

Graham

Bronze 911SC · Post by **Bronze 911SC** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:06 pm

Hi,
I bought it from a dealer, turns out him and the "Specialist" are well known for working together and shifting on some ropey old classics.
Trading standards were not interested until they were told it had a full MOT! After a lot of hassle and name calling etc, the "dealer" has since shut up shop, however I think they just re-named themselves and opened up elsewhere.

Still not a satisfactory outcome as I'm left with a car needing thousands spending on it and don't have the funds to get it done. It's going to be a very long project as I'm going to learn how to weld properly etc and sort it myself. At least I know it wll be done to the best standard I can achieve, and to be honest I don't trust anyone to do the work sufficiently!

As for liability, unless you get a receipt stating exactly what the "Expert" has done, you don't have a chance.

Nick Moss · Post by **Nick Moss** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:37 pm

Bronze 911SC, is your recent purchase the same car that the OP is discussing?

Bronze 911SC · Post by **Bronze 911SC** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:10 pm

No this was another box of rot. I purchased it up in the Cheshire/North Wales border area from a dealer. To cut a very long story short, I spoke to the previous owner, who told me he knew the dealer as he'd used him before to buy from and sell to. He told him the car needed extensive restoration. The dealer said he would sort it all out and then sell the fixed car on for good money.
The owner was happy with this as he wanted rid and thought the dealer was as good as his word. During our phone conversation he came across as a genuine fellow, and he even said that if he'd known it was going to be bodged and put back on the road he would have sold it as parts.! He said it had no MOT when he got rid and the dealer was fully aware of the terrible condition.
I've been past the garage since and it has changed hands, hopefully the dealer has finished for good.

One good thing to come from it all is that I think I could purchase another 911 and find any potential problems/faults within the first 10 minutes!