Hi all. I bought my old girl just before Christmas last year and have had a great year with no problems just thoroughly enjoying getting up with the sparrows for Sunday morning blasts round the lanes. Top, top fun as you all doubtless know far better than I!
Need some advice now please.
What I have is a late 73, but 74 Model 2.7S made to look like a fair approximation of a 2.7 RS in white, sporting a later 3.0SC motor. It's in nice cosmetic and mechanical order but had a couple of little areas that I wasn't happy with....so I've put it into a bodyshop to be stripped back and re-painted. Now we are down to bare metal it has gotten a little more interesting.....needing the front wings replacing (I am in the motor trade and the bodyshop know I wouldn't be 100% happy with repairs to them).
I've always had a thing for the whole RSR look, and, what with the recent rash of nice reps often discussed on here my mind's on giving mine the look whilst it's stripped down and needing some panels anyway. Clearly I'm not attempting anything but the exterior cosmetic appearance at this stage...
Could those with the knowledge please advise on the following?
- are fibreglass front RSR wings an okay move? If so, what make and who from please?
- ditto for the rear arch extensions please?
- front and rear valances also pls?
- twin pipe RSR style exhaust?
- what wheels....having read a lot of posts here do I need 11" rears, or would 9" be in someways a better road driving balance.....are 11" over-tyreing a modestly powered car?
- can I use my current rears as fronts....think they're 9's.
What am I not considering /missing please?
Those of you in the know.....could you spare
Turning my RS lookey-likey into an RSR-ish kind of thing....
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A few years ago I looked at making up an RSR from a non-matching numbers 2.4s. I had a few discussions with Josh Sadler (Autofarm) as he was selling the car and was going to do the work for me. I don't think there is anything he doesn't know about this so you may want to contact him. Funnily enough I've since seen the car at Hedingham a couple of times on his stand - they're using it for some classic track days/ races etc and having fun with it 
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I still wish I'd gone for it, but instead I bought my 356A - so every cloud has a silver lining
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1958 356A
1978 Aston Martin V8
1988 Jaguar XJS 3.6 manual
1959 Lambretta Li125
1958 356A
1978 Aston Martin V8
1988 Jaguar XJS 3.6 manual
1959 Lambretta Li125
Re: Turning my RS lookey-likey into an RSR-ish kind of thing
hello, am doing this myself (or more accurately Tuthill are) I think you will get q a few different answers, ultimately it prob depends on how much you want to spend but heres my tupenneth:
Could those with the knowledge please advise on the following?
- are fibreglass front RSR wings an okay move? If so, what make and who from please? Yes . various sources (do a search) but GT racing in US is one source
- ditto for the rear arch extensions please? advice I've been given is pressed steel arches are a good compromise between cost and quality. various options and prices for £2k down
- front and rear valances also pls? fibreglass is fine
- twin pipe RSR style exhaust? b v careful on this is if you want to pass a trackday noise test. poss a 3 outlet with blanking caps is a good option. Dansk
- what wheels....having read a lot of posts here do I need 11" rears, or would 9" be in someways a better road driving balance.....are 11" over-tyreing a modestly powered car? you dont need 11's will be overtyred and fiendishly expensive. 9's plus spacers. 7 or 8 on the front
- can I use my current rears as fronts....think they're 9's. not sure but i think so
What am I not considering /missing please?
in terms of just looking like an RSR, 10k rpm tacho, clock delete, centrefill tank, rubber bonnet and boot catches, 930 brakes and RSR frosted finish wheels . Depending on budget, hundreds of other details...have a read through Mike's thread for the pinnacle of RSR detail
Those of you in the know.....could you spare[/quote]
Could those with the knowledge please advise on the following?
- are fibreglass front RSR wings an okay move? If so, what make and who from please? Yes . various sources (do a search) but GT racing in US is one source
- ditto for the rear arch extensions please? advice I've been given is pressed steel arches are a good compromise between cost and quality. various options and prices for £2k down
- front and rear valances also pls? fibreglass is fine
- twin pipe RSR style exhaust? b v careful on this is if you want to pass a trackday noise test. poss a 3 outlet with blanking caps is a good option. Dansk
- what wheels....having read a lot of posts here do I need 11" rears, or would 9" be in someways a better road driving balance.....are 11" over-tyreing a modestly powered car? you dont need 11's will be overtyred and fiendishly expensive. 9's plus spacers. 7 or 8 on the front
- can I use my current rears as fronts....think they're 9's. not sure but i think so
What am I not considering /missing please?
in terms of just looking like an RSR, 10k rpm tacho, clock delete, centrefill tank, rubber bonnet and boot catches, 930 brakes and RSR frosted finish wheels . Depending on budget, hundreds of other details...have a read through Mike's thread for the pinnacle of RSR detail
Those of you in the know.....could you spare[/quote]
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Defender 110
BMW R9T
Trek Superfly
but sadly no Porsches any more
www.performancetrim.co.uk are building a carbon fibre rsr rep so you could get panels from them .
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Grateful for the pointers, thanks. I have an association with the bodyshop, so labour costs are minimal....it's the 'bits' that will add up £££. I'll let google do some work this weekend and see where it takes me now I have a little more info.
I've been following Mikes thread on his remarkable RSR, and can only conclude that I have neither the patience nor the wealth of Midas to consider such a glorious undertaking.....that will be one killer of a car!
Thanks again!
Matt
I've been following Mikes thread on his remarkable RSR, and can only conclude that I have neither the patience nor the wealth of Midas to consider such a glorious undertaking.....that will be one killer of a car!
Thanks again!
Matt
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Matt, just to give my 2p's worth, you might have noticed from one or 2 comments on other RSR rep threads, that I'm not a great fan of doing a replica
if your not going to incorperate the basic elements of the original. Sure I don't expect everyone to put 10 grands worth of high butterflies on their cars
and fibreglass ST and 930 arches on the back are fine, but for the correct 73 RSR look you should have the 9 and 11's filling those big flares, that's the
main look of the car. You can find inexpensive replica 11's now and they don't have to be the correct finish, but at least the car will look more the part.
The problem with a car like that though is as you have said yourself, it will be over tyred for the road so might not be as much fun as you would expect,
they can be a little hard work and those tyres aren't getting any cheaper either!
Having said all of that, now to my point! What about a completley different idea. Instead of going with the pack and making a kinda lookey likey RSR
rep thing as you call it, which will always be compared to the real thing and picked apart for all your hard work and expense, why not make your own
unique hot rod/RGruppe type style of car, using the elements you like, like wider flares with your 9's at the back, lightweight interior with buckets and
harnessess, bang some pmo's on your 3 litre engine with some fibreglass tinware, doesn't need twin plugging, perhaps some ST lights and then finish
it off with a great colour like a dark grey with an orange stripe for instance!
Sounds like you have the ideal situation with the bodyshop contact, so use that and then with minimal expediture on parts you could come up with
something quite different and special, but more importantly something personal to you, make something special that's not a copy of anything but more
an expression of yourself.
All IMHO of course, and best of luck with whatever you do, Mike
if your not going to incorperate the basic elements of the original. Sure I don't expect everyone to put 10 grands worth of high butterflies on their cars
and fibreglass ST and 930 arches on the back are fine, but for the correct 73 RSR look you should have the 9 and 11's filling those big flares, that's the
main look of the car. You can find inexpensive replica 11's now and they don't have to be the correct finish, but at least the car will look more the part.
The problem with a car like that though is as you have said yourself, it will be over tyred for the road so might not be as much fun as you would expect,
they can be a little hard work and those tyres aren't getting any cheaper either!
Having said all of that, now to my point! What about a completley different idea. Instead of going with the pack and making a kinda lookey likey RSR
rep thing as you call it, which will always be compared to the real thing and picked apart for all your hard work and expense, why not make your own
unique hot rod/RGruppe type style of car, using the elements you like, like wider flares with your 9's at the back, lightweight interior with buckets and
harnessess, bang some pmo's on your 3 litre engine with some fibreglass tinware, doesn't need twin plugging, perhaps some ST lights and then finish
it off with a great colour like a dark grey with an orange stripe for instance!
Sounds like you have the ideal situation with the bodyshop contact, so use that and then with minimal expediture on parts you could come up with
something quite different and special, but more importantly something personal to you, make something special that's not a copy of anything but more
an expression of yourself.
All IMHO of course, and best of luck with whatever you do, Mike
cheers, Mike.
previously..
1994 968 Club Sport Riviera Blue
1994 993 C2 Carrera Riviera Blue
1972 911S to Martini RSR Prototype Spec
1973 911E to RS Lightweight Specification
1981 924 Carrera GT ex Mexborough car
3.2 Carrera Sport x2
previously..
1994 968 Club Sport Riviera Blue
1994 993 C2 Carrera Riviera Blue
1972 911S to Martini RSR Prototype Spec
1973 911E to RS Lightweight Specification
1981 924 Carrera GT ex Mexborough car
3.2 Carrera Sport x2
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I can't help but pass a personal thought too.
I think mike has exactly the right approach in both ways.
If you can replicate the RSR then you need the resources that Mike has.
Few can fault what he is doing, but it is beyond most.
The Hot Rod idea really is the ideal solution.
It is so easy to mix n match the parts in an early car and the arches, the (sensible) wheel sizes and the ability to pop-in a big 3.8 or whatever is much the better more practical way forward.
The Gruppe B USA and Euro cars should be looked at as stir the '911 soul' equally as much as the 'real deal' RSR.
More importantly it would be very driveable. Those wide rubber tyres will grip double white lines like a scaletrix car does to the groove. The RSR was a race car on slicks without many white line to upset it.
A puncture would be a major pain and expense. You loose the practicality.
my 911 is a very very mild hotrod, but it is just what i want. I too contemplated the RSR look but thought little extra value would come from it when done, (I hillclimbed the car for 20 years, road driven there and back). It is a little sleeper of a car, all the looks but a little surprise in the way it goes from A to B.
Take a serious look at the Gruppe B's. IMHO.
Graham.
I think mike has exactly the right approach in both ways.
If you can replicate the RSR then you need the resources that Mike has.
Few can fault what he is doing, but it is beyond most.
The Hot Rod idea really is the ideal solution.
It is so easy to mix n match the parts in an early car and the arches, the (sensible) wheel sizes and the ability to pop-in a big 3.8 or whatever is much the better more practical way forward.
The Gruppe B USA and Euro cars should be looked at as stir the '911 soul' equally as much as the 'real deal' RSR.
More importantly it would be very driveable. Those wide rubber tyres will grip double white lines like a scaletrix car does to the groove. The RSR was a race car on slicks without many white line to upset it.
A puncture would be a major pain and expense. You loose the practicality.
my 911 is a very very mild hotrod, but it is just what i want. I too contemplated the RSR look but thought little extra value would come from it when done, (I hillclimbed the car for 20 years, road driven there and back). It is a little sleeper of a car, all the looks but a little surprise in the way it goes from A to B.
Take a serious look at the Gruppe B's. IMHO.
Graham.
Yes i like the normal RS flares over the RSR look for a street car . It's not so "in your face" and blends in more plus the tyres are easy to get etc . If i had an RSR look a like then it would have to be as fast as possible with some turbo horsepower from a newer model or something too stop the Saxo's keeping up !!!
With the normal RS look you can be alot slower as they don't look very fast compared to a RSR . Mine's got a tuned 3.0 litre engine and to be fare it goes pretty well for what it is , it runs high 13sec 1/4 miles so as fast as 1990's M3's etc . The simple 1980's engines are really reliable as well , mine's not been touched for 18 years !!!!! Bomb proof
With the normal RS look you can be alot slower as they don't look very fast compared to a RSR . Mine's got a tuned 3.0 litre engine and to be fare it goes pretty well for what it is , it runs high 13sec 1/4 miles so as fast as 1990's M3's etc . The simple 1980's engines are really reliable as well , mine's not been touched for 18 years !!!!! Bomb proof
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my favorite look is the ' 2.4 (T, E or S ) with RS arches' 
The car which I thought looked wonderful in this style was Luke's old Aubergene car that the new owner has modified with big motor & RS rear arches
There is a pic somewhere
The car which I thought looked wonderful in this style was Luke's old Aubergene car that the new owner has modified with big motor & RS rear arches
There is a pic somewhere
James
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1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
1973 911 2.4S
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1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
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hot66 wrote:my favorite look is the ' 2.4 (T, E or S ) with RS arches'
The car which I thought looked wonderful in this style was Luke's old Aubergene car that the new owner has modified with big motor & RS rear arches
There is a pic somewhere
That is just beautiful
Ian
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Looks great but sits too high , the lower the better . When the car in front looks in it's rear view mirror they need too see the roof and not the bonnet !!! 
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