Re-bodied RST £105k

left4dead · Post by **left4dead** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:13 pm

Here:

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/cla ... arno/63074

No affiliation.

Lightweight_911 · Post by **Lightweight_911** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:26 pm

There is a very long thread about this car on Pelican - anyone who is even vaguely interested in the car is urged to read it:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=365081

964RS · Post by **964RS** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:08 pm

and its a very scary story and suprising that its still up for sale!!!!

gridgway · Post by **gridgway** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:16 pm

no, way! That's not the pesto car is it?
Fantastic!

Graham

964RS · Post by **964RS** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:33 pm

gridgway wrote:no, way! That's not the pesto car is it?
Fantastic!

Graham

Certainly is......who would have ever thought it would resurface!

gridgway · Post by **gridgway** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:45 pm

Anyone gonna contact the seller to get the scoop?

Mind you I am not sure I believe much of the story in that pelican thread anyway!

Graham

mycar · Post by **mycar** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:49 pm

Pelican at it`s best.... and worst, all in one thread. I can`t be bothered to trawl back through the whole thing, did this car actually turn out to be 24 carat?

Mike

Project 911 · Post by **Project 911** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:35 pm

I know seller, it has just been put up for sale...

gridgway · Post by **gridgway** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:43 pm

Nope if the story is to be believed, from memory, the guy pesto360 bought it then found it was rebodied from something else (an E or something). The stamps of the bodywork were forged.

Then pesto got thrown in the clink in the US for "whitecollar crime".

The car was in the care of one of pesto's friends in Italy.

Whilst pesto was inside, another of his "friends" instructed the guy in italy to sell it, which he did to an Italian dealer. The "friend" (not the one in italy) trousers the cash.

The car is then for sale in italy...advertised warts and all, rebodied pseudo RS.

Then it appears for sale on a UK website (PAul Ripley Auto Legends) as a proper RS again. Paul ripley is made aware of the story. Takes it off sale, has been done ove by someone importing it from It to the UK. Says it's a forged car, reported to DVLA, never to be seen again!

Lo and behold pesto turns up, wants his car back even though it's a faker.

The story stopped there...until now!

Graham

PS I doubt that very much of the tale as told on pelican is actually true. fabulous tho!

gridgway · Post by **gridgway** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:45 pm

Project 911 wrote:I know seller, it has just been put up for sale...

So how much of the tale is true do you know?

Graham

Project 911 · Post by **Project 911** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:48 pm

gridgway wrote:
Project 911 wrote:I know seller, it has just been put up for sale...
So how much of the tale is true do you know?

Graham

Unfortunately I don't actually know anything what is true/false, but I posted him link for this thread.
(I just know him from other car forum)

mycar · Post by **mycar** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:11 pm

The last post on the thread kind of answers my own question... and sums the whole thing up. Who knows what the hell` s going on.. hopefully Paul wil make a reappearance and all will become clear.

Mike.

Project 911 · Post by **Project 911** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:42 pm

OK, here is response from Paul. He wrote this to Ferrari-club page and I told that it would be good idea to post it here as it was asked, so he asked if I could do it. Please DO NOT ask about car from me, I know absolutely nothing and I'm just copypasting his text!! (he is very helpful and nice person in F-car forum) Also hopefully this is OK for moderators/DDK if I do this, please remove if not.

Here is Paul's response:

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"To one and all

Re my 1973 Porsche 911 2.7RS Carrera Touring.

I cannot believe that people think I would openly sell a car that could be described as 'an illegal and fraudulent'. Those who know me personally, know I am a totally 100% honest person and feel that my integrity and reputation is being questioned.

I will endeavour to explain the position, because my reputation is at stake here - and also explain how and why, the car is in fact, a genuine 2.7RS Carrera Touring!

I purchased the above car in late May last year from a UK seller as a genuine 1973 2.7RS Carrera Touring. Shortly after purchasing the car I got an email from the seller, saying that the car was re-bodied. Having thought I was buying a 'genuine RS' and not a re-bodied RS, I asked for my money back. This request was refused.

I was then faced with taking it on the chin financially, or going down the legal route to get my money back. I had little option but to choose the latter because of the high monetary value of the car involved. This has proved to be the most horrendous and stressful period of my life, both financially and personally and resulted in the closure of a business I was running at the time.

Legal proceedings were started and after a period of time, the defendants Solicitor in the case, decided to request a detailed 'Expert Witness Inspection and Report' to be carried out on the car. This proved to be a most enlightening element in the legal case and brought about many points of vital and previously unknown information about the car.

I am in possession of this report, which was undertaken by one of the World's leading, best known and respected RS experts. He had to answer and address a multitude of questions raised by my legal counsel.

The 7 page report confirmed that the car had been re-bodied (like so many other RS's that were used in some form of competition as this car probably was in it's early years). However, he also reported that the VIN number and its stamping were the 'original' 1973 Porsche factory VIN plate and had the original Porsche factory stamping. The expert involved in this report, also asked for a 'second expert opinion' on this highly pertinent point. He also confirmed the VIN # and stamping were the original 1973 Porsche factory VIN plate and stamping.

Because I am selling a totally legal and genuine 2.7RS Carrera Touring, this report is available to any potential buyer and will stay with the cars comprehensive history file in the future.

Many other areas and points were covered in the report and I have advertised the car as a re-bodied and genuine 2.7RS Carrera Touring, which is exactly what it is and the expansive experts report, confirms every single detail to prove this.

Whilst the car has also appeared on other forums, I am the one who has been down the legal route to establish the car's legality, identity and authenticity, so I am one of the few people on the planet who know about this car and would appreciate that people dont jump to conclusions too hastily before knowing the full facts.

If this car had its original body and was in similar concourse condition as this car currently is, it would be selling for around the £150,000 mark. Whilst an RS replica in this condition, would sell for around the £55,000 to £65,000 mark. After talking to several RS experts, who all said the same thing, that the price of my car would be 'in between' these figures - and thats exactly where it is at £105,000 or near offer.

So just for the record .... I am selling a re-bodied genuine 1973 2.7RS Carrera Touring which has a newly rebuilt engine, a brand new Porsche replacement gearbox (done at the Porsche factory) and is now back into it's original Porsche factory colour of India Red - the paintwork is concourse.

The legal process has cost me a heap of money, but I now know I am selling a totally legal RS which has been proved through the legal process.

May I finally point out that so many other RS's were re-bodied because of what they were used for it their day - racing and competition use. Many were crashed, as this car probably was, and Porsche ran out of RS bodies back in the 1970's.

I am not a dishonest person in any way, shape or form. I am selling what has been proved to be a fully and totally legal re-bodied 1973 2.7RS Carerra Touring (exactly as I have advertised the car).
I hope this explains my position and what I have been through over the previous 12 months to unearth and uncover the cars previous history.

I would dearly like to keep the car as it's superb to drive and is in concourse condition. But because of a new business venture, the car has to be sold and will be sold with all the pertinent facts I have uncovered through the lenghty legal process and route I have undertaken - this of course, will be disclosed to any potential purchaser.

Paul Ripley "

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964RS · Post by **964RS** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:51 pm

I think you should post this exact same post on the Pelican Parts thread.

Lightweight_911 · Post by **Lightweight_911** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:13 pm

Sorry but I do not accept this ...

1) The reshelling was not done by Porsche nor was the restamping of the VIN done using the correct dies/stamps - in fact nobody seems to know when or by whom the reshelling was done

2) The restamped aluminium VIN tag on the front slam panel uses incorrect 'font'

3) This car does not have the original engine fitted to '1316' by the Factory

4) This car does not have the original transmission fitted to '1316' by the Factory

5) The production number does not match that of the original (1316) car

& so on ...

SO how can this car be described as a 'genuine 2.7 RS Carrera Touring' ???