MFI Pump - removal, rebuild & re-fit
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5 = speed switch
6 = relay for 2-stage heated rear window
2 = relay for single stage heated rear window
3 = RPM sensor
In any particular car you would normally find either 2 or 6 depending on which type of rear window was fitted.
6 = relay for 2-stage heated rear window
2 = relay for single stage heated rear window
3 = RPM sensor
In any particular car you would normally find either 2 or 6 depending on which type of rear window was fitted.
Andy
“Adding power makes you faster on the straights;
- subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere”
“Adding power makes you faster on the straights;
- subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere”
bit of an update
The MFI pump has been fully rebuilt by Fred @ Tower Diesels and should be with me next week. No horror stories thankfully , Fred reckoned it just needed a good freshen up.
Tim has my 'speed switch' and has reported it wasn't working , which explains why I was chucking out unburnt fuel on the over-run.
Photos to follow
The MFI pump has been fully rebuilt by Fred @ Tower Diesels and should be with me next week. No horror stories thankfully , Fred reckoned it just needed a good freshen up.
Tim has my 'speed switch' and has reported it wasn't working , which explains why I was chucking out unburnt fuel on the over-run.
Photos to follow
James
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
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1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
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Be interested to know your new mpg when you get things back together James.
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Mike
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73 RS (Sold)
67 S
Mint T (Sold)
996 Turbo (Sold)
73 2.4E (home after 25 years) and Sold again
73T targa (signal yellow project)
1953 Vauxhall Velox
914/6
1963 356B
https://www.mybespokeroom.com/
the pump has returned
Not had time yet to unwrap it ( saving that for Xmas day ) , but for those that are interested, Fred leaves the 'adjuster' cap head screws loose on the belt pulley.
If I have time over the holidays I'll get the pump mounted back & then go through the proceedure of priming the fuel lines etc
Not had time yet to unwrap it ( saving that for Xmas day ) , but for those that are interested, Fred leaves the 'adjuster' cap head screws loose on the belt pulley.
If I have time over the holidays I'll get the pump mounted back & then go through the proceedure of priming the fuel lines etc
James
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
for reference, interesting thread detailing the internal workings of an MFI pump
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=386414
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=386414
James
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
managed to grab some hours in the garage today.
Reassembly begins
I started by filling the pump with 300 ml of engine oil,
Mike Bainbridge has been very helpful & given me some pointers & advice, the 1st bit being it will be better to remove the left hand throttle stacks ( not the bodies ). With the throttle body stacks removed I also removed the left hand fuel lines to help with access.
I rechecked the positioning of the engine to confirm it hadn't moved from the position I left it when I removed the pump, then rotated the MFI pump pulley so the alignment marks were 'aligned' and then refitted the pump, ensuring the MFI belt slipped onto the pulley. I also loosely refitted the oil outlet pipe to prevent any oil spillage.
& yes that is spilt blood
With the pump in position & the belt on the pulley, the pump timing needed to be rechecked. You will need to use a mirror for this as it is impossible to see otherwise. The pump was returned with the adjuster screws loose, so a bit of fiddling around was required until I was happy ( the screws can be seen in the 2nd photo below, within the pulley)
I then locked the pulley into position using an allen key on the socket head cap screws locating the pulley to the pump shaft ( difficult to do due to lack of space ! .... I ended up only tightening 2 of them & tightened the 3rd later when I was in a position to rotate the engine )
Next job was to adjust the MFI belt tension. This is done simply by moving the pump 'left or right' on its mount ( it has slotted feet )
Mike suggested : " the belt do's not need to be like a cam belt tight, as long as it is not that loose it will hit the covers " . Using a screwdriver I levered the pump across to the right ( in my case as far as I could get it) and nipped up the mounting nut nearest the pulley. ( photos from Mike bainbridge)
Mike also highlighted the importance of ensuring the pump body was running square with the belt to ensure the belt did not 'run off' the pulley when rotating. I checked the body was positioned correctly, then the rest of the mounting nuts were tightened.
Reassembly begins
I started by filling the pump with 300 ml of engine oil,
Mike Bainbridge has been very helpful & given me some pointers & advice, the 1st bit being it will be better to remove the left hand throttle stacks ( not the bodies ). With the throttle body stacks removed I also removed the left hand fuel lines to help with access.
I rechecked the positioning of the engine to confirm it hadn't moved from the position I left it when I removed the pump, then rotated the MFI pump pulley so the alignment marks were 'aligned' and then refitted the pump, ensuring the MFI belt slipped onto the pulley. I also loosely refitted the oil outlet pipe to prevent any oil spillage.
& yes that is spilt blood
With the pump in position & the belt on the pulley, the pump timing needed to be rechecked. You will need to use a mirror for this as it is impossible to see otherwise. The pump was returned with the adjuster screws loose, so a bit of fiddling around was required until I was happy ( the screws can be seen in the 2nd photo below, within the pulley)
I then locked the pulley into position using an allen key on the socket head cap screws locating the pulley to the pump shaft ( difficult to do due to lack of space ! .... I ended up only tightening 2 of them & tightened the 3rd later when I was in a position to rotate the engine )
Next job was to adjust the MFI belt tension. This is done simply by moving the pump 'left or right' on its mount ( it has slotted feet )
Mike suggested : " the belt do's not need to be like a cam belt tight, as long as it is not that loose it will hit the covers " . Using a screwdriver I levered the pump across to the right ( in my case as far as I could get it) and nipped up the mounting nut nearest the pulley. ( photos from Mike bainbridge)
Mike also highlighted the importance of ensuring the pump body was running square with the belt to ensure the belt did not 'run off' the pulley when rotating. I checked the body was positioned correctly, then the rest of the mounting nuts were tightened.
Last edited by hot66 on Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:55 pm, edited 7 times in total.
James
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
Back in the car
With the pump body fitted back, the pump timing and the alignment all sorted it was now just a matter of refitting the throttle stacks & injector lines. Once these were back together I reattached the oil lines, fuel lines & throttle linkage
All thats left to do is bleed the fuel injection lines and start her up ... but thats for another day
BTW, I have updated the 1st post in this thread with more photos
With the pump body fitted back, the pump timing and the alignment all sorted it was now just a matter of refitting the throttle stacks & injector lines. Once these were back together I reattached the oil lines, fuel lines & throttle linkage
All thats left to do is bleed the fuel injection lines and start her up ... but thats for another day
BTW, I have updated the 1st post in this thread with more photos
James
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
Today I got round to finishing the job
Before I bled the fuel through, I checked again to ensure the pump timing marks were aligned correctly. Next I rotated the engine by hand a couple of full rotations and again back to FE mark after TDC on No 4. This was to confirm the MFI belt was running 'true' and again to confirm the pump timing was correct ( which it was )
On to bleeding the fuel lines .......... for this job I kindly had the help of my wife .
To start with I loosened off all the fuel lines from the injectors.
I then got my wife to turn the engine over on the starter motor to pump the fuel through. After about 8 turns of the motor there was no fuel coming through It turns out it takes a lot of turns of the pump to get the fuel pumped through, so eventually with a bit of patience ( & semi starting the motor on the cold start circuit) I had fuel at the injectors on the left bank ( shorter lines )
I attached the fuel lines back to the injectors, but not tightened yet. With my wife turning the engine over again on the starter, I let fuel bleed out of the lines & nipped up each one whist the fuel was bieng pumped.
This was repeated on the right bank.
Once all was done, she started straight away
My pump has been rebuilt to stock 2.4S spec with stock 2.4S settings. Fred reckons it'll be fine to run 'out of the box' , but I'll be running the car back down to Bob Watsons rolling road as soon as I can to get it fine tuned. It'll be interesting to see what the power/torque curve will be like now.
I had a quick blast up the village and all is well. Not sure if it is my imagination, but straight away it seems stronger in the mid-range.
Hope this has been of help to some of you .
Before I bled the fuel through, I checked again to ensure the pump timing marks were aligned correctly. Next I rotated the engine by hand a couple of full rotations and again back to FE mark after TDC on No 4. This was to confirm the MFI belt was running 'true' and again to confirm the pump timing was correct ( which it was )
On to bleeding the fuel lines .......... for this job I kindly had the help of my wife .
To start with I loosened off all the fuel lines from the injectors.
I then got my wife to turn the engine over on the starter motor to pump the fuel through. After about 8 turns of the motor there was no fuel coming through It turns out it takes a lot of turns of the pump to get the fuel pumped through, so eventually with a bit of patience ( & semi starting the motor on the cold start circuit) I had fuel at the injectors on the left bank ( shorter lines )
I attached the fuel lines back to the injectors, but not tightened yet. With my wife turning the engine over again on the starter, I let fuel bleed out of the lines & nipped up each one whist the fuel was bieng pumped.
This was repeated on the right bank.
Once all was done, she started straight away
My pump has been rebuilt to stock 2.4S spec with stock 2.4S settings. Fred reckons it'll be fine to run 'out of the box' , but I'll be running the car back down to Bob Watsons rolling road as soon as I can to get it fine tuned. It'll be interesting to see what the power/torque curve will be like now.
I had a quick blast up the village and all is well. Not sure if it is my imagination, but straight away it seems stronger in the mid-range.
Hope this has been of help to some of you .
James
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
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Tim, I got the switch back, many thanks for your fettling with it
The switch is installed again along with the microswitch, but I'm not sure if the 'circuit' is working or not. If I press the microswitch when holding the revs at around 2000 nothing happens. I know the speed switch & the microswitch work ( thanks Tim )
Once I have everything totally finished ( I still have some fuel lines to replace on the cold start circuit ) I look into it all in more detail
The switch is installed again along with the microswitch, but I'm not sure if the 'circuit' is working or not. If I press the microswitch when holding the revs at around 2000 nothing happens. I know the speed switch & the microswitch work ( thanks Tim )
Once I have everything totally finished ( I still have some fuel lines to replace on the cold start circuit ) I look into it all in more detail
James
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
1973 911 2.4S
1993 964 C2
2010 987 Spyder
1973 MGB Roadster
Its not how fast you go, but how you go fast
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Pull the wire from the solenoid (On the MFI Pump ?) , and put a 12V bulb to GND on the connection. The bulb should light under the condition you describe. Sidelight/dashboard bulb will be OK.hot66 wrote:The switch is installed again along with the microswitch, but I'm not sure if the 'circuit' is working or not. If I press the microswitch when holding the revs at around 2000 nothing happens. I know the speed switch & the microswitch work ( thanks Tim )
Touch a 12V feed to the solenoid on the MFI pump and see if that does something.
Tim
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