DDK - Die Deutschen Klassiker

Fair-do's Dougal, there are no calculations to use to get the right answer, it is all subjective and life isn't long enough to resolve it!

Modern tyres have the A,B,C,D,E etc ratings for key performance criteria, or at least criteria deemed important.

Just looked at your site and cannot see such a classification for the tyres you have.

Do you have such a classification to make comparisons easy against modern tyres?

Dougal Cawley wrote: Roll up, Roll up! get em while they are hot!

I don't know enough about it to comment but I've always wondered why people fit trick modern suspension bits and tyres in an attempt to improve handling........lots of modern cars can wipe the floor with our classics if that's what you want.

Personally I always wanted my cars to drive like early 911's.

I made the mistake of fitting superpro bushes to the E and will be going back to rubber as soon as Gary can fit me in.

Totally understand budget considerations but all things being equal fitting what Porsche intended has to be the way.

Bush change back well worth it.
Took mine out 4 years ago from the front and back to stock rubbers, just kept the poly bushes in the front roll bar drop links.

Darren65 wrote:

Dougal Cawley wrote: Roll up, Roll up! get em while they are hot!

I don't know enough about it to comment but I've always wondered why people fit trick modern suspension bits and tyres in an attempt to improve handling........lots of modern cars can wipe the floor with our classics if that's what you want.

Personally I always wanted my cars to drive like early 911's.

I made the mistake of fitting superpro bushes to the E and will be going back to rubber as soon as Gary can fit me in.

Totally understand budget considerations but all things being equal fitting what Porsche intended has to be the way.

Perhaps you should fit cross-plies as well

Technology moves on - the beauty of a hotrod is you can take advantage of whichever advances you want

If you prefer to go back to rubber that's fine but don't say that how Porsche did it 50 years ago is the only way.

I think you're talking about two totally different things. If you own a sixties or seventies Porsche, it'll be as good as cars were in the day and not far off today. Not only that but you can often make them far worse by modifying them. Most people do, Healeys are a good example, they are what they are and modifications.....

Hotrod is a very broad term, seems to cover anything from Frogeye with a 383 in it, to a butchered Model A or fibreglass replica thereof. Or it can a model day recreation of a vintage Hotrod (Jay Leno has one) but with Corvette underpinnings, which will obviously handle better than a thirties Ford.

It's an anything goes sport and whilst the best and rarest fetch very large sums of money, most fail on multiple levels. However if you're going to stick to an original car from the past, you're stuck with the design and limited as to what you can do to improve it. All in my opinion.

Interesting comment!

I started hillclimbing my 73T in 1992 and modified it with very sticky tyres and suspension mods, brake mods etc not to be faster than the next boy racer but to be faster on the hillclimb I drove to/from 10 time a year.
I just roll down the road then and today being hounded by a certain type in Range Rover Sports.

The big Dunlops I now have are a feeble shadow of the Kumho V70's I ran for 5 years, poor grip in the dry but far better in the wet. Kumhos were then 3 x the cost of the Dunlops.

I've had no response to my questions on compound performance ratings.

If you want to go fast on classic suspension where is the proof that these tyres are any better than 'rep' tyres?

I actually think the Pirelli's look good and will consider them when I next change my tyres. Agreed there may be better performing tyres but that's probably not the reason most of us buy these cars. We could go faster for a lot less!

Look cool and should perform well. I am happy to have he choice!

All we need now are sizes for the wider rims.....

sladey wrote:........but don't say that how Porsche did it 50 years ago is the only way.

.....not saying that at all.......just saying that I want my 72 to drive as well as it could have done in 1972, slip sliding all the way. Not any better.

If I wanted to go really fast I'd buy a Golf R.

Darren65 wrote:

sladey wrote:........but don't say that how Porsche did it 50 years ago is the only way.

.....not saying that at all.......just saying that I want my 72 to drive as well as it could have done in 1972, slip sliding all the way. Not any better.

If I wanted to go really fast I'd buy a Golf R.

I think the important part about a period tyre is that they are progressive. which amount's to predictable. if you have a car that moves underneath you then you want it to be predictable.

that is the point exactly. if you want ultimate grip. you have bought the wrong car. so for the road keep it progressive with the CN36 Pirelli Cinturato

If you want ultimate grip either massively modify you car and fit some stonking wide TB tyres Michelin TB15

Or sell it and buy a modern car

I actually love my Avon's Dougal which is an absolutely awesome tyre.......couldn't imagine there could be anything better!

Hi Darren

Assuming you mean the Avon CR6ZZ , then no doubt. they are great. And up until Pirelli made the Pirelli Cinturato N4 CN36 these were the tyres we were recommending to people. The CR6ZZ is still the best tyres for track use.

However the new production of N4 tyres from Pirelli are bit better as road tyres. I suppose better value as well, but it's not about that, The Pirelli does have greater tread depth, but it has a carcass that will absorb more vibration from the road. and it is not race rubber. race rubber is not suited to sitting in a garage.

Dougal Cawley wrote:.....race rubber is not suited to sitting in a garage...

You don't have to worry about me on that front Dougal!

Hi

Also good news:-

Pirelli have also made their first small batch of the Cintutrato P7 tyres

http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/20 ... p7-n4.html

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http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page/22 ... p7-n4.html

Hi

Am getting another delivery of the 185/70WR15 Cinturato CN36 N4 https://www.borrani.com/pirelli-tyres/c ... -1419.html today and also the rear too 215/60WR15 CN36 N4 https://www.borrani.com/pirelli-tyres/c ... 36-n4.html