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Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:29 pm
by Darren65
Jesse wrote:Sorry for the OT but how do the gaps react once engine and wheels are on?

Does the weight of the engine stretch out the gap of the B-post - door? How about the door/sill gap?
This car was rebuilt on a jig from start to finish and is arrow straight and true however there is a small amount of flex in these shells and they will 'bend' depending on where they're supported from.

If a car is on a rotisserie and supported either end it will sag in the middle, this came as quite a shock to me when I tried to refit the doors on my coupe! The gaps only came back once the weight was taken off the ends and the car supported on a ramp. :?
Obviously this is not an issue if the car is supported on the suspension points.

If a car is rebuilt properly it will always retain its shape but I think it's best to wait until all the weight is back in the car before doing any final tweaking.

HTH

Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:58 am
by murph2309
Jesse wrote:Sorry for the OT but how do the gaps react once engine and wheels are on?

Does the weight of the engine stretch out the gap of the B-post - door? How about the door/sill gap?
Hi -

I'm expecting the drive train to stretch the gap at the b-post - door.....rest of it should be OK. But we'll have to see....don't know how this would react for any others, but this is the observation on mine.

Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:07 pm
by Barry
Just caught up with this, having not seen any of the external paint on :shock: .

All credit to Rich, that is some serious dedication there, especially as he's running the workshop at the same time.

Just the bonnet alone is a work of art, and although it left here better than it arrived, it was still pretty wobbly to say the least.

I think this thread does illustrate very well the number of stages in re-painting a car properly, the application of the colour coats and laquer being a tiny proportion of the hours. I always say that here, the actual welding is probably about 5% of the total time on a shell, and I would guess that painting is the same.

As for the 200 hours Mike mentioned a while back, the painters that I have used all start off from this figure for a full-on, high quality restoration paint-from-scratch project, so I'm not surprised to see that Mr Murphy's has gone North of this figure.

Congratulations Rich, that is truly exceptional craftmanship. No wonder Richard's bottom lip had a wobble to it :) .

Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:28 am
by murph2309
A few final paint images - it's left the shop now, all fitted up with bumpers and rear valence. Going into storage for a couple of weeks while I'm away before I can pick it up.

Terrific job from Darren and Rich. Way exceeded my expectations and huge thanks are due to them both, but to Darren in particular whose enthusiasm and deisre to get it 'right' has been well matched with my own. I will always be supremely grateful for the time, effort, care and attention that he personally has put in. And to Rich for delivering the most amazing paint I've ever had on a car!

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So stage 3 of 5 over and done with....next up is to turn it into a rolling shell with suspension, brakes, cables & electrical etc all in and I will be doing that at home (with the help of some friends.... :-)) and then finally it will go to Canford for an interior refit, glass, seals and final fettle....

See you soon and thank you all for the positive comments, one of the most enjoyable aspects of this build is getting the feedback and seeing the comments / debate as we go on. I really appreciate all your support through this.

R

Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:38 pm
by johnM
Best get the kettle on.

Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:02 pm
by jury
johnM wrote:Best get the kettle on.
:lol:


Looking great Rich!

Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:12 pm
by Lightweight_911
I think all the superlatives have already been used in this thread (many times) so any comments are going to be repeats ...

Who would think that a 'bare' bodyshell could look this good ?

Have you found yourself just lovingly running your hands lightly over the paintwork ? 8)

Stunning ...

Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:15 pm
by murph2309
Erm....tbh.....yes I did.....it's absolutely silky smooth... :oops:

Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:27 pm
by Darren65
murph2309 wrote:A few final paint images - it's left the shop now, all fitted up with bumpers and rear valence. Going into storage for a couple of weeks while I'm away before I can pick it up.

Terrific job from Darren and Rich. Way exceeded my expectations and huge thanks are due to them both, but to Darren in particular whose enthusiasm and deisre to get it 'right' has been well matched with my own. I will always be supremely grateful for the time, effort, care and attention that he personally has put in. And to Rich for delivering the most amazing paint I've ever had on a car!

So stage 3 of 5 over and done with....next up is to turn it into a rolling shell with suspension, brakes, cables & electrical etc all in and I will be doing that at home (with the help of some friends.... :-)) and then finally it will go to Canford for an interior refit, glass, seals and final fettle....

See you soon and thank you all for the positive comments, one of the most enjoyable aspects of this build is getting the feedback and seeing the comments / debate as we go on. I really appreciate all your support through this.

R
Thanks Richard,

I've thoroughly enjoyed working with you on this one, the desire you have to get all the details right is to be admired and when finished your car will be one very special Targa - looking forward to seeing the car complete and being taken out for a drive. :)

You'll be pleased to know the car is in good company and I built myself a shed this week so I could clear the garage out; didn't like the look of that wheelbarrow dangling over the top of you car! :shock:

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Cheers,

Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:37 pm
by CAB63
I Take it you have seen this on Ebay
a 1972 Targa 2.4s asking price of £104.950
Link here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1972-Porsche- ... 2ec6f7e12e

Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:30 pm
by murph2309
:shock:

That's a lot of money, but it does look lovely from the photos....

Nice looking targa you've got on your avatar....any more photos?

R

Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:20 pm
by Alan @ CanfordClassics
Hi Rich, I have also now joined the targa group and just bought a RHD 73 targa stored since 1992! More info soon but the shell looks pretty good and very original and a great colour. Now we just need to start to process to make it as good as yours.

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Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:31 pm
by Darren65
Wow! - that looks wonderfully solid and certainly worth restoring as all good Targa's now fetch over £100K! :shock:

Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:07 pm
by murph2309
Welcome to the club! That looks interesting, loving the colour and it does look solid too. RHD, rare....looking forward to hearing more about that.

Re: 2.2s Targa rebuild

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:41 pm
by murph2309
There's an interesting debate going on over on Early 911 S - it's about taking restorations to ridiculous OCD levels....

Thought you might enjoy the read - it's a polarising conversation....

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forums ... ot-too-far

BTW, not claiming to be anywhere in this league, but the thinking is interesting.