DDK - Die Deutschen Klassiker

Looks nice - stick with Fuchs would be my vote

Looks interesting Tom. Looking forward to seeing more in due course.

Still on the theme of tinkering, and justifying how I spent the 2 years of faffing about before Barry got stuck in...

I have acquired a set of Cibie Biodes / Bi-Iodes, RHD (left hand traffic) variant.
If anyone can help with my query about mounting hardware etc, please click here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=58417
.... and let me know.

Thanks, Richard.

I cannot think of anything more satisfying, at least anything automotive, that is, than these pictures from Barry's house of fine metalwork. The "Go/No Go" visuals from the Cellette make the 911 body and that lovely locomotive-grade piece of repair equipment look like they were each made for one another.

Re: GTV leaks and damp footwells: par for the course! I've had a couple of 115 series cars since the mid 80's and this is so difficult to resolve; I used to have a period Alfa factory trained mechanic working for me and he said that back when these were new, he and his colleagues at the Alfa dealership spent ages chasing GTV water leaks - almost all through the door seals - with dum-dum aka black strip caulking. You'll know that the subject of GTV door seals is one of intense discussion. At the problem's root, it is simply an awful design. Maybe today's geniuses, such as Banks Bros, have solved it? I just learned to carry towels. The fact that my 82 SC coupe is waterproof is thus hugely pleasing.

A Cellette with 911 and Alfa fixtures would be the ultimate garage accessory.

Fantastic thread...thanks so much for the effort to post and update. John.

Hi John,
Thanks for the kind words, glad you are enjoying it. So am I, as you may have gathered.
I look forward to the day when my Alfa leaks water through the door seals, because that will mean it's travelling forwards at a reasonable pace under its own power. Not there yet...
Cheers, Richard.

Enjoying your thread Richard. Interesting mods and upgrades you are keeping close to your chest. Is this car an influence on the mods you have planned..?

Dave

stretch wrote:Enjoying your thread Richard. Interesting mods and upgrades you are keeping close to your chest. Is this car an influence on the mods you have planned..?
Dave

Hi Dave,

Thanks, I am enjoying yours too. Must be time for an update, surely?

Ah yes, the German market early 70 S. Homologation special? 978 kg I think, which isn't bad.
Built only slightly before mine.
It is an influence, as is the similar 69 car 119300009.

I've gone back and forth in my mind about how far to go down the sports purpose road.

Complication: you've seen my 69 car, and perhaps even remember that gentle trundle we took round the block? It's fairly hardcore for a road car, I suppose.
Although not completely authentic (it deviates from period where the FIA regs allow, e.g. has twin front mounted Mocal oil coolers, not the unobtanium Porsche version, has a different cage design than Porsche tended to use, suspension and brake components are different in places), it is a homologated historic race car so about as "truly sports purpose" as you can get. And lots of it is pure original Porsche.
I had originally thought I would sell it when the 70 car was finished. But I love it so much now that I don't think I will. Which means the 70 car has to be the relatively comfortable touring version.
Also the 70 S is matching numbers and fairly rare in RHD, so these days it's not really the best basis for a properly radical plan like, say, an ST rep with a twin-plug 2.5 Much as I would love one of those in Signal Orange.

All of which is a long-winded way of saying that the mods will be pretty boring, mostly cosmetic and easily reversible. So I'm not keeping them close to my chest - there's just not much to say.
It will definitely be standard in the engine department. And it will have soundproofing.

More on this in due course.

Cheers, Richard.

Richard / Dave,

Is this the car you refer to?

Hi Ralph,

Not sure - what are the details of the one in your pic?

I was referring to the German market 70 S in the early days of production.
At that time, the S was portrayed in the marketing literature as a lightweight version with simplified equipment:



and had some lightweight / different equipment / lack of equipment:




(Not for export to the US).

Cheers, Richard.

This car was at Hedingham a few years ago and I think that it is/was owned by Russell Edmonds.

It certainly looks very similar in specification. When I was looking over it Andy (Lightweight) was chatting to Russell so he will probably know more about it. It looked very nice.

Your car will certainly look good done to a similar theme rather than a stock resto.

Ralph wrote:This car was at Hedingham a few years ago and I think that it is/was owned by Russell Edmonds.

It certainly looks very similar in specification. When I was looking over it Andy (Lightweight) was chatting to Russell so he will probably know more about it. It looked very nice.

Your car will certainly look good done to a similar theme rather than a stock resto.

A 1972 car with original M471 lightweight option, absolutely gorgeous and a big inspiration for me.

Very very nice.
One of my influences is this M471 car:



My interior will have some similarities to the above.



These two look quite good together, I think:

Given you already have a sports purpose / historic race car, really worth considering how many mods you want to make on the resto. Original cars have a charm of their own and an S would be no slouch. For road use, there is a lot to be said for a standard set up as it is more comfortable and the softer suspension telegraphs well.

I have a standard 71 E and was surprised how much I enjoyed driving it on quick B roads in comparison to a much more sporting 2.7 RS. If you are keeping 2 cars, one of each is perfect!

Nice choice to have and great project.

yoda wrote:Given you already have a sports purpose / historic race car, really worth considering how many mods you want to make on the resto.

Hi Feroz,

Wise words, thanks. You are right of course. It's good to hear the voice of experience, especially given that I don't even own a standard early 911, let alone a well-sorted one.

I have pondered it quite a bit, and there are lots of reasons to keep it 100% standard. Including:
Suspension setup - as you say standard is pretty useful for road use, especially bumpy b roads where I spend a fair proportion of the time
NVH - this one needs to be usable for touring and bearable for passengers
Resale - market understands a standard car.
Character of power delivery - obviously there are more powerful engines than a 2.2S. But I think (and know from my 2.0 S) that the lack of mid range and then the characteristic feel / noise when it comes on cam are absolutely fundamental to the car. Put it this way - if I could get tons more torque for free I don't think I'd take it.

So there are many aspects I'm not planning to tinker with. Where I do, most of the mods will be easily reversible.

With that said I do think that, with a bit of care, it's possible to make genuine improvements without ruining the character of the car. And I know I can mildly improve the aesthetics (bearing in mind that that's in the eye of the beholder - everyone else will think it's horrible!).

Summary: I don't care about resale and it's my car. So I am going to modify.

inaglasshouse wrote: Summary: I don't care about resale and it's my car. So I am going to modify.

Hear, hear.