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Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:57 pm
by Sam
gridgway wrote:
To be precise it says £8.5m claimed, not owed.
Yep. Claimed by 60 folk who were owed. 64 others didn’t bother claiming, so it’s more.
Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:01 pm
by Bootsy
Makes Andrew Mearns look like a petty criminal
Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:48 pm
by gridgway
Sam wrote:gridgway wrote:
To be precise it says £8.5m claimed, not owed.
Yep. Claimed by 60 folk who were
allegedly owed. 64 others didn’t bother claiming, so it’s
probably more.
Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 4:51 pm
by hot66
Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 5:07 pm
by Lightweight_911
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Probably realised that the evidence was stacked against him so changed his plea in the hope that this would be taken into consideration when sentenced ...
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Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 1:37 pm
by IanM
Why did the trial take place in Sheffield?
Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 2:08 pm
by Nine One One
IanM wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 1:37 pm
Why did the trial take place in Sheffield?
Because that is probably where one of the victims cited their crime to have taken place, or could be because his partner was once a local Councillor and a solicitor, that it was not deemed appropriate to hold the case in their own area?
Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 3:22 pm
by 210bhp
Bootsy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:16 pm
This car was being sold on SOR and has strangely gone from the showroom.
Distinctive so let's hope the owner gets it back.
This car now on sale at Paul Stephens by the looks of it.
Regards
Mike
Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 4:27 pm
by 911hillclimber
How does all that 'chain' work out in this case?
Rel owner arrives at the Malton place and agrees terms, leaves the keys there.
The car waits for a new owner which it gets and the car is driven away by someone who is honest. The car is not in Malton's name.(?)
Malton gets arrested and soon sentenced.
Real owner is left in the lurch, Malton is richer etc.
Does the real owner get his money?
Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 4:31 pm
by Bootsy
I'm not sure - I would (with limited knowledge of the law here) presume the original owners get's car back as it's still lawfully theirs and Malton / Mearn has the money from the unsuspecting new buyer who has lost out - unless money can be got back.
Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 6:29 pm
by Sam
My understanding is that it’s the other way round.
The original owner has given the retailer a product to sell with no immediate payment, just a contract that says they will pay in the future. They’re a supplier in the same way a wholesaler would be to a shop.
If the retailer doesn’t pay the supplier has to pursue them for payment. If the retailer goes pop before paying the supplier then they become an unpaid creditor and join the queue behind hmrc, employees etc.
Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 6:41 pm
by gridgway
It's complex as it's not a supplier retailer b2b arrangement. The SOR seller is an agent for the owner. So not a creditor as such.
Also there's fraud involved but just a bankruptcy.
Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 7:10 pm
by Nine One One
They are all CRIMINAL offences..........to date he has pleaded guilty to 16 charges of FRAUD, which could be obtaining property/money by Deception.
He has not entered any plea for a number of THEFT charges, which will relate to the same vehicles, he sold on, and kept the money.
The Court can order compensation to the victims, or could make a restitution order against the current owners, who may then have to sue him for their money back. Either way it will be a complicated case to get the money back one way or another.
Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 7:47 pm
by sng45
I remember this happening at one of Mearns open days
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MY-Gd5IeH0o
Re: Specialist cars of malton
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 8:11 pm
by Sam
gridgway wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 6:41 pm
It's complex as it's not a supplier retailer b2b arrangement. The SOR seller is an agent for the owner. So not a creditor as such.
Also there's fraud involved but just a bankruptcy.
Ah ok. As ever it’s complicated.
I don’t think it’s fraud for the Malton case tho, unless I’ve missed that.
(Hello Graham)
