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TO explain my old lady analogy....

I've spent a lot of time with very old people of late and it strikes me that many (women and men) moan about the same thing over and over again but don't or can't do anything about it.

Whilst you're still able to do whatever you want, what your budget allows, use whoever you fancy using, use a painter you want, spray it yourself, hand paint it, do whatever, but in the words of Mr Jury's wage payers...... Just Do it!

Bootsy wrote:TO explain my old lady analogy....

I've spent a lot of time with very old people of late and it strikes me that many (women and men) moan about the same thing over and over again but don't or can't do anything about it.

Whilst you're still able to do whatever you want, what your budget allows, use whoever you fancy using, use a painter you want, spray it yourself, hand paint it, do whatever, but in the words of Mr Jury's wage payers...... Just Do it!

Great post Bootsy

Good newspaper article on the restoration company. 3000 hours on an E Type is a sobering thought.
My recent visit and tour of CMC in Bridgnorth didn't mention that level of hours but was a scaled-down version of the above facility with an apprenticeship scheme.

Bootsy wrote:TO explain my old lady analogy....

I've spent a lot of time with very old people of late

Didn't realise you went to Spa

Gary71 wrote:

210bhp wrote:I'm sure he's thought more than once 'this car could do with being Barryed but he keeps the car on the road without that expense.

Every single time I wash it

Do what I do. Don't wash it.

Can't see how bad my wing extensions are now under the dirt.

Or don't ever stop. Everyone who sees my car goes wow!!....so just don't let them get up close

964RS wrote:

Gary71 wrote:

210bhp wrote:I'm sure he's thought more than once 'this car could do with being Barryed but he keeps the car on the road without that expense.

Every single time I wash it

Do what I do. Don't wash it.

Can't see how bad my wing extensions are now under the dirt.

Or don't ever stop. Everyone who sees my car goes wow!!....so just don't let them get up close

No cos I seam to always wash it just picking it up now will rag the arse off it and wash it again

petric wrote: No cos I seam to always wash it just picking it up now will rag the arse off it and wash it again

Thats your job though and single thing your best at!

Third best thing I've read in 24 hours! Good job I didn't go as it would have increase significantly the average age.

Bootsy wrote:

TO explain my old lady analogy....

I've spent a lot of time with very old people of late


Didn't realise you went to Spa

One factor I'd like to add is that from experience restoring my own cars, when stripping a car the thought process is, "that bolt, clip, trim, plastic, is buggered i'll replace it when I'm there in the build"

Well they soon mounts up to thousands, so keep everything, throw nothing, refurbish everything!

This is my mates car, which he gave good money for,Assured that it was ok, because he had an invoice for an "OPC restoration" in 2005.Well it wasnt ok.The more I poked the more I found.Anyway, this has been about 6 weeks work to get to first primer/guide coat today.
So far: o/s bumper mounts, inner/ outer sills, kidneys,B posts, jack receiver,both lower front screen corners,Fenn lane roof delete, inner wings etc. plus a good few other bits and pieces.The engine is out for a service, but thats nothing to do with me.So, welding as above panels stripped at envirostrip, shell taken back to metal.All body repairs, etch 2k primered then re flatted and reprimed,then finished in Max Mayer base/laquer.This is going to total at about 12k all in.Price would be similar regardless of marque.Hope this gives some of you an idea of real world costs.

stretch wrote:Good article here. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/classic ... -restorer/

That looks like it's on my itinerary for my next trip there in a few weeks time!

dogbower wrote:My car failed its MOT this year due to the dreaded tin worm in the sills. I think its due to water getting in around the windscreen.
I had planned to strip the car in the next couple of years to sort out some bits, such as the windscreen, but this has bought this forward.
I had a bit of an accident 6 years ago, which involved the car going on a jig, so know its straight, if a bit rusty.
I am not after a concours car, but the shell sorted, and a respray in a different colour. I am happy to strip the car and reassemble afterwards, and it will be the old bits going back on, most have been sorted in the last 8 years of our ownership.
Before anyone suggests doing it myself, would love to but really don't have the time due to my never ending house renovations. So would end up having a car in bits for the next 10 years, I could just find the time to bolt it back together.
I know its difficult to be accurate but what sort of figure is the bodywork going to cost? And a descent respray?
I had a visit from a guy from
http://www.carrosserie.co.uk
They are not too far from me, anybody had any dealings?

Stuart.

In answer to your question sh*t loads!

How much less it cost years ago I believe is irrelevant as the market has changed so much over a short period of time, things just aren't what they used to be. You have to ask yourself also how much was your car worth years ago?? Everyone involved in this market are more than aware of how the value of classic porsches has gone sky high which has allowed everyone to make some more cash. It's the same for any industry, supply and demand... and in this market supply is limited and demand is high.

Key to answering your question is realistically how much have you got to spend? How much time do you have? How do you see the quality of your end product? Once you know these there are lots of people on ddk who can help and advise you whichever way you go

I found myself in pretty much the same scenario as you and for me I had several options:

1: buy an already restored car

2: buy an unrestored car and give to someone else to do everything and collect when done

3: DIY

4: buy unrestored car and keep my car ticking over using local garages to keep passing mot's

5: buy project car and utilise all of the very best people I could on ddk to create a fully sorted 100% restored product (to my personal requirements)

6: buy a mint low mileage original example (I wish)

7: buy a 964


I went for option 5 as personally really wanted a project car with the adventure of a restoration but have limited time. I'm not famed for a delicate touch, short tempered, a love of big hammers and over indulgent use of burning gear. Over past 20 years running my business I have welded, painted and repaired all mechanical aspects of drilling rigs so know my way around the workshop but realise it's different skills to perfect a little Porsche... I also want a fantastic end product and so far have thoroughly enjoyed my little adventure and am amazed by the skill set of the whole ddk gang!! I would 100% recommend everyone I have used so far, my only tips would be ask on here before you do anything and agree prices upfront for everything and check no hidden extras...(surprise invoice at end of my engine build).

Enjoy it whichever way you go!! You're in safe hands...

I have deliberately avoided reading this thread, apologies if my response is not relevant to where it has reached. I can only assume the end point.

Does this mean the fat lady has sung?
Kirk