Help Restoring a 1965

[Silver911SC]

Hi all

Firstly just wanted to introduce myself. I recently bought a 912 in the U.K. which came from the US back in 2005 via the Netherlands. Some paperwork says 1965 and others say 1966 so I need to get to the bottom of that. The car had a ‘full’ restoration in 2009 with windows out, new floor pans, sills etc, full new interior etc. However the last couple of owners have had it parked in the glorious U.K. weather and it’s suffered a lot of bubbling and rust to the chrome etc.

I have a few questions and if anyone can help guide me, it would be greatly appreciated.

1.) The car has had various services since 2009 by some big names such as Strasse etc, however not recorded in a book. I want to get a new service book to get the dealer stamps put in. All I can find are the red plastic books that are sold as suitable for 911 and 912, however they only say 911 on the cover whereas the 912 originals either didn’t state models at all and just said ‘maintenance record’ on them or they had 911 and 912 on the cover. Does anyone know of anywhere that would sell one suitable for a 912 that doesn’t simply only have 911 written on it? Seems wrong to use a 911 book for a 912 history.

2.) The bonnet badge is pure gold in colour, and want to replace it I am unsure which bash he is period correct for a 65/66. Is it the black/orange one? Any link would be great to see.

3.) The chrome window surrounds, he rear bumper plates and the light surrounds have all rusted slightly despite all being brand new parts in 2019. Is there a sensibly priced specialist in the U.K. anyone knows of to replate/anodise? And for the light surrounds does it make sense to it redo those and buy new chrome potentially?

4.) The keys supplied with the car are not Porsche. Am I right I’m thinking the correct are the plain keys with the logo and not the ones with black/red plastic?

5.) The wheels are flaking the black paint off. Does anyone recommend someone particular in the U.K. to refurb them?

6.) Does anywhere sell black ignition coils? I know people spray the silver ones black and can add a repro yellow Bosch sticker. Just wondered if I can buy a black one anywhere.

Sorry for the list of questions. I appreciate I’m new here. In other car forums I’m usually helping others but as a newbie to Porsche am in the messing help phase before I can help others. But in time hopefully I can pay the community back.

Any help appreciated

[Silver911SC]

912

[Ian Gunney]

Hiya - welcome to DDK

re your key question - yes - it was originally a plain short key with PORSCHE;

re the Fuchs refurb - plenty of specialists do this - I'm pretty sure Alan does them at Canford Classics or Nick Moss at Early 911

re the correct Bosch coil - you'll have to be patient and do some searching - they haven't been available for a long time.

Hope you enjoy your '12 - they are lovely things.

Ian

[210bhp]

Hello Silver

MY 66 began production in august 65.
Your build date will tell you if it’s a 65 or 66. Failing that your paint code tag inside the lhs A post will give you a clue. 66MY car have a paint code 66xx

1. Various forums including the 912 forum help to find an original but I imagine a 65 or 66 will be expensive. Repros I’m not sure about.
2. Orange bars with a smooth back
3. I think you are going to have to find out if you have original equipment or modern reproduction. I believe the window surrounds should be brass based. Later ones are not. Your horn grilles should be the four hole type on the correct 65/66 front wings but I think you look to have laterr from the picture.
4. Two black and one red ‘valet’ keys were the usual supply.
5. Your 912 would have originally come with steel wheels. The Fuchs are a later addition. Refurb as above, nick Moss, Biagio, Canford.

Nice car. What was the original color?
Good luck in your search.
Regards
Mike

[neilbardsley]

Re the coil email Bruce Smith 912 owner and expert. He restores them and might be able to source and restore.

http://sparkingplugs.com/7.html

However, I would advise you to get a new working one and drive happy.

Another good contact for 912 bits is Max Levell.

Re year of manufacture there is a vin table on the 912 registry

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[Silver911SC]

Hi all

Thank you so much for your responses; it’s really helpful getting guidance in the early days to stop me going wrong.

Slight different thoughts on they keys. My SC has the black/red keys but it does look like the 912 should be the plain silver PORSCHE embossed keys.

@Mike the original colour was Aga Blue and I don’t think black was available in 1965, so a bit of a naughty colour change for a 1965, but black looks nice and not many around (I think I read only 3% made were black).

The DVLA registered it on a C-Plate which is 65. Car is in the garage getting serviced as it was stalling at lights strangely then need a push start. As soon as I get it back I will follow your advice to confirm it’s year.

Trying to find an orange badge seems tricky. They seem to be £150 in the U.K. but Stoddard are $55. Original looks out the question as they are fortunes.

Also had a look at the Fuchs and it’s the same price to refurb as but a new set of repros. I need to check but I think mine are repros so a strange decision to pay the same to refurb as buy new!

[Lightweight_911]

Those Fuchs wheels look like originals to me (if you take one off & look at the rear of it you will see an embossed part number in one of the 'petals' & a date code mm/yy in one of the 'depressions' near the centre).

If the wheels aren't 'kerbed' you could get away with just redoing the black paint for a fraction of the cost of a full refurbishment.

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[neilbardsley]

So that answers one of your questions Aga Blue is a 66 colour (first year)

https://www.912registry.org/content.asp ... _id=186808

Great colour! Ben Jones on here has a stunning Aga Blue Coupe. Hopefully we will have the flat 4 drive in September this year and you can come to see it

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[210bhp]

Hi Silver

If you would like to keep the costs down on an original badge with ‘inbuilt patina‘. I could supply any one of these for £200 postage included.
They are all smooth backed so correct for your early car and all pins are intact so ready to mount using your own rubber bonnet gasket and speed nuts.



Regards
Mike

[Silver911SC]

Thanks Mike. I want to get it pristine so want to get something really tidy. Think I may need to order this: https://www.stoddard.com/sic55921020-90 ... 21020.html

I do like the Aga Blue but not sure if I’ll put it back as I do like the black. That said, despite £40k spent on rebuilding it, it has some seriously bubbling where it appears to have been deep filled, so I am thinking if I should bare metal it or if I can do just the areas blistering - as the sills, kidneys and some other usual suspects have been done, so it’s not the usual candidate for a full bare metal.

Look forward to the meet up in September.

The Fuchs aren’t kurbed but the black paint is very flakey in the deep bits and chipped around where the black meets the silver of the petals, so not sure how easy/cheap it is to sort the big flaking paint. I need to check the history file but there was a receipt for the Fuchs back in 2009, which I feel may have been a set of new rather than restored; but I will ask the garage to take a couple off this week as they have it in, and see if it either has the foxes and/or original numbers.

Anyone got any thoughts on why the car may stall at lights and then not restart without a bump? I’ve read about the hot start relay or vapour locks. Currently Christian Sangar Porsche have it in to service and look in to, but any thoughts on what might be causing it, would be greatly appreciated.

Also, the rusted rear lights (which were new parts - but the last owners left the car parked outside for 4 years, having been restored, hence the restorations suffering) - what would be the most cost effective way of making good - new metalwork, replate or something else?

Huge thanks again for all the support

[hot66]

Aga blue on a swb looks great

[neilbardsley]

Does the car start ok normally?

When it will not start does the starter turn the engine?

The fact you can bump start it suggests no vapour lock?

The starter circuit goes through the ignition and light switch. Sometimes after hearing up old switched can stop working but more common in 6v. I had a relay which helped.

However the first thing to to do a tune. Valves, points, timing and carbs. When where the fuel pipes last changed?

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[Silver911SC]

Yes it fires up fine from cold.

The car has sat around for 2 years and only driven a few hundred miles. The fuel filter looked like it may have dissolved slightly (the filter looked like it had collapsed in the clear housing). Not sure if old fuel could be to blame given the lack of use. It is being serviced, so as you say, some of that might remedy it.

[912Flyer]

Sorry i'm a bit late to the party i've been messing around to much with my 993.

But if this helps.
1.) The car has had various services since 2009 by some big names such as Strasse etc, however not recorded in a book. I want to get a new service book to get the dealer stamps put in. All I can find are the red plastic books that are sold as suitable for 911 and 912, however they only say 911 on the cover whereas the 912 originals either didn’t state models at all and just said ‘maintenance record’ on them or they had 911 and 912 on the cover. Does anyone know of anywhere that would sell one suitable for a 912 that doesn’t simply only have 911 written on it? Seems wrong to use a 911 book for a 912 history.

I am sure I saw one replicated at Porsche Classic when I was at Bicester.

2.) The bonnet badge is pure gold in colour, and want to replace it I am unsure which bash he is period correct for a 65/66. Is it the black/orange one? Any link would be great to see.

I would buy one of the ones offered the second one in looks good at £200 I paid £400 for mine as the new one I sent back as its obviously Repro from a mile away.

3.) The chrome window surrounds, he rear bumper plates and the light surrounds have all rusted slightly despite all being brand new parts in 2019. Is there a sensibly priced specialist in the U.K. anyone knows of to replate/anodise? And for the light surrounds does it make sense to it redo those and buy new chrome potentially?

Derby Plating are very good as is A.C.F Howell in Walsall

4.) The keys supplied with the car are not Porsche. Am I right I’m thinking the correct are the plain keys with the logo and not the ones with black/red plastic?

You can get them off Sierra made collection with the porsche logo on

5.) The wheels are flaking the black paint off. Does anyone recommend someone particular in the U.K. to refurb them?

Not sure if you checked if originals but if they are Mike Champion did a good job ion mine

6.) Does anywhere sell black ignition coils? I know people spray the silver ones black and can add a repro yellow Bosch sticker. Just wondered if I can buy a black one anywhere.

Max Levell Revival Cars had some spares.

Hope i'm not too late to the party.

Mike