Critique this 911T please

JAN · Post by **JAN** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:54 pm

https://www.williamscrawford.co.uk/list ... 1f098-2165

As prices soften a touch i seem to be contemplating dipping my toe again, something like this at circa £50k doesnt seem horrific value. I would prefer a private sale but there seems to be very little out there.

I am however a little out of date and need to get my eye back in, so to speak, so thoughts would be welcome please.

J.

Gary71 · Post by **Gary71** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:26 pm

Non matching numbers (if that kind of thing bothers you). 2.4 and 915 is a great combo so not a problem.

14” Fuchs (I think) Not much love for them.

No door buckets. Original super squidgy seats

No mention of any structural repairs, engine rebuilds, suspension or indeed anything. So tread very carefully and poke about in the usual places for big rust (have a look at my rebuild thread if you don’t know)

Something rusty going on at the top of the RH B pillar that’s probably the literal tip of the iceberg.

Could be a nice driver, could be a well presented basket case, impossible to tell from these pictures.

hot66 · Post by **hot66** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:31 pm

Panel gaps around the rear deck lid look way out. Front and rear lights and horn grills are all over the place.

inaglasshouse · Post by **inaglasshouse** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:45 pm

RH door gap / alignment also very sketchy.
Could be that it was painted on a budget and reassembled without painstaking care.
Or could be that the (knowledgeable in this case) dealer has tried quite hard to correct the gaps, and the pics represent the best that can be achieved because everything is "a bit out". Who knows.

Also (not just because it's a bit wonky) in the absence of resto pics showing bare metal, probably best to assume that everything is filler until proven otherwise. Take a magnet...

JAN · Post by **JAN** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:48 pm

I think, as i somewhat suspected, i shall pass.

I wonder if £50k ish is a little hopeful for a good useable car.

Thank you for the wisdom.

911hillclimber · Post by **911hillclimber** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:24 pm

Looks just a nice car to me, and it is from (imho) a reputable dealer.
If you need originality of spec it is way out and so is the price, a 100 point car would be a higher price, maybe 2 x this price.

My 911 is very much a driver in the same form and would massively fail the DDK assessment test far more than this car. Drives great and that suits me.

If you don't know the way round an early 911 get it independently assessed and drive it, then decide.

As Gary says, a T spec 2.4 and a 915 will make a nice driver's car.
If it is solid underneath and drives well to your taste then could be a corker, and relatively care-free.

sanjay · Post by **sanjay** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:37 pm

I may have something of interest a friend is selling his car to get a 356.

pm sent

Best

Sanjay

Sam · Post by **Sam** » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:07 pm

a reputable dealer.

JOOI, does anyone know if Adrian is still involved? Last time I spoke to him he was considering stepping back.

KS · Post by KS » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:58 am

Sam wrote:
a reputable dealer.
JOOI, does anyone know if Adrian is still involved? Last time I spoke to him he was considering stepping back.

Adrian is very much still there (along with Richard and the rest of the crew)...

theorangeperil · Post by **theorangeperil** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:19 am

wow there's some harsh critics on here

I remember seeing a famous DDK car a few years ago that had just emerged from a 100 point 'concourse' restoration by a renowned DDK early 911 specialist that also had wonky horn grills. I'd have had that car for £50k

in all seriousness you'll get great advice here from the police, but if you are looking for a great driver that could be further improved over time it could be a good base? But of course proceed with your eyes open or get professional advice. Good luck!

hot66 · Post by **hot66** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:21 am

It’s more a case of the sum of the faults might lead you to think what else is wrong.... wonky grills on there own arnt an issue .... but you don’t want anyone to end up with a sour early 911 experience because the car might not be all that

Lets be honest ... nearly all our cars could be dissected for faults ... eg my front spoiler bumper is sticking out a bit far on one side due to a incompetent recovery truck driver bending it when it needed recovering some years ago.... I also know exactly where I’ve got some rust... but unless fully restored we all know rust exists somewhere

inaglasshouse · Post by **inaglasshouse** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:24 pm

Sorry, not meaning to be unnecessarily harsh. The original poster did ask for a critique

I'm not saying that the gaps are necessarily an issue - maybe all is well and they just need time spent on tweaking. Or maybe it's been accident damaged and badly restored without using a jig, and the gaps are a symptom. Just saying it needs checking.
BTW I don't think 50K seems high for a solid usable car with imperfections. But it's a lot for a shiny car that ends up being a full restoration anyway. Especially a non-matching numbers T, where the resto cost is unlikely to be reflected in the final value.
Which is it? Caveat emptor, as usual!

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