So, did we all vote

[911hillclimber]

Yes, a divided country, but hasn't it always been so?
Rich Southerners, poor Welsh, lost and forgotten Scots, Financial Districts and red bracers, industry in the West Midlands sent to China (I was involved in that) because everyone (not involved) wanted a cheaper product, and certainly has it now.

This country will continue to move on, always has.
Just where and how it will move on might be a very big question to answer.

There needs to be a good Government with people with principles that are trusted, that have motives that serve those who elected them.

No government serves all this countries people equally, never will, so we have Tory then Labour then Tory etc.
We find them actually all the same, some wear a tie, some don't.
All speak well, some are believable and some are frankly unbelievable!

Can we see Boris leading this fragmented country (it has always been fragmented imho) to a level where the Free England can prosper?
Can you the existing 'others' doing the same or a better job?

I hope some sharp principled people will come forward from now to October who the country can believe in, that other nations can believe and trust in and can get the most out of everyone working, about to work, and have left the work place, ie me.

I have no degree, a solid 5 year oily hands apprenticeship and HND and bought up in Birmingham.
I've worked my balls off from 16 to 63 and have a nice pension and the usual trappings of success that I've grafted for.
... and I voted to stay.

We are now out, but surely far from Down n Out.

The country need entrepreneurs, people with imagination and drive to flourish and a Government to maximise their drive and courage.

Who I wonder can do this asap?

[Tosh]

Britain awoke from a wildly drunken night and just realized the girl next to him is Boris Johnson.

[Bootsy]

I've woke up with worse

[cubist]

Cheeky mare...

I thought it was special.

Not a big Boris believer but I'd back somebody with the gumption (remember that word?) of a Branson or similar - proper credentials and transferable skills.

[desert rat]

Living in Devon I was quite suprised we voted out apart from Exeter and the South Hams, farming being a large part of the local community and economy, and getting generous subsidies from the EU. I thought the remain vote would triumph here. I've just renewed my passport, looks like it will last for 2 years not 10. Never mind my father was Polish came over after the war after surviving 2 years in a labour camp in Siberia fighting with the eighth army in Sicily and at Monte Casino and working bloody hard all his life. I'm just pointing this out because it entitles me to a Polish passport and therefore remain an EU citizen if I wish.
Still proud to be British.
Stefan

[Tony]

We all seem to agree we need some seriously good leadership and pretty soon - but what are the odds?
So far the EU have fired their first shot, Scotland have a bit of a plan, Corbyn's rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic, but from the brexit crew - zip.

[72911E]

We all seem to agree we need some seriously good leadership and pretty soon - but what are the odds?
So far the EU have fired their first shot, Scotland have a bit of a plan, Corbyn's rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic, but from the brexit crew - zip.

Below from the guardians comments section:

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

[964RS]

Below from the guardians comments section:

I've read some utter shite in my life but The Guardian reader comments always seem to surpass them....

[210bhp]

Actually there might be some truth in that. The point is that politicians rarely decide anything. They react, often too little too late.

The real decisions on how this will pan out will be taken in the boardrooms of Nissan, Tata, Google and many others who will, without remorse, protect their assets. Politicians will have very little leverage and with no money in the kitty to either bail out of attract new investment we might be left to squabble over the bones of what is left. Who would want to be in charge of all this? I don't see anyone rushing forward to grab the nettle yet.

What price the faces of Sunderland 'leavers' when Nissan react to the kick in their teeth and relocate to hungry Spain.

Regards
Mike

[964RS]

I don't see anyone rushing forward to grab the nettle yet.

They will.....they've all got massive egos

[Tosh]

Jason
Ignoring the source of the bit on Boris, it does make some good points.
* Cameron has bought us time - not a great deal as the Corporates will not like the uncertainty - over triggering Article 50
* The process of extraction is on someone else now.
* That extraction is likely to involve a whole heap of pain and possibly the breakup of the Union and while the sky is yet to fall in, a quick read around makes you realise a) many people were busy posting a protest vote without realising the implications on their lives of exit (oh, you mean I may not get to keep my EHIC card and I already struggle to get travel insurance or their kids/grandkids mobility) and b) many of the implications are bubbling up: The Cornish have asked for their £60m annually in EU funds to be ring fenced/protected by Whitehall. Yes, the EU paid for Seume's broadband. My guess is, Farage's mythical £350m a week isn't going to go far

And if you want some utter shite comments...
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/articl ... 1772TI4aNW

[101sinbad]

it really is awful.

I feel the out voters have played russian roulette with my children's lives.
The EU may be corrupt and full of beaurocrats but at least I know the devil I'm dealing with. With the out vote I cannot see anything being better. At best nothing changes. At best.

I'm the boss of an international arm of a US company. I have colleagues from all four corners of the globe. I gave everyone a couple of hours off as research shows that people are more likely to vote if you give them time off. Fat lot of good it.....but as someone else pointed out, this is how democracy works.

The overwhelming consensus of my continental friends was that regardless of the intent of the 'out' voter......they all felt a little less welcome on Friday morning.
I spoke to 8 people personally who were looking for reassurance that they wouldn't be kicked out. It made me sad on a number of levels. The fear mongering on both sides has created a situation that I would imagine the majority don't want to be in.
My in-laws live in Spain and they asked whether they would be repatriated. They also fear that they will be taxed out of Spain, and the latest rumours going around in their expat community is that they will have to take a test in Spanish to remain in Spain. Quite ironic.

The money we give to the EU works out at 0.07% of our GDP. That's like me having £100 in my pocket and giving the Big Issue seller 70p. A small price to pay for an insurance premium or a charity.
I'm quite surprised the divide between the young and the old and how the older generation supported leaving. I suppose part of the difference this time around to 1975 is WW2 was still in the minds of that older generation when they voted in.
Its not like there isn't any conflict around this time around but it doesn't directly affect us.

Sunday morning rant over.........back to my croissants and English breakfast tea

I feel I need to balance this off with a post about a car

[gulf908]

If the Scots and the north Irish are again starting to think about their own futures,by extension,where might leave the Commonwealth countries ?
In AUS we have few trading ties with old blighty so its mainly historic and tradition as our commerce dealings are mainly with Asia.
Rusty sabres are also starting to rattle again here with the republic movement as well.
Its all speculation from afar as no one really knows will happen for some time yet.

Cheers
Dennis.

[sladey]

AAAAAARGH!...........Find self agreeing with Jason..... AAAARGH....... Must......Resist......

I meet a guy from the Bank of England once a year - their East Midlands representative - he sees a load of business people from different sectors regularly and uses those talks to provide information about what businesses are feeling 'on the ground'. I enjoy it because he's bright as f*** and has a good sense of humour.

I saw him a few weeks ago and he took me through a questionnaire about brexit. He asked what I thought would be the consequences of a brexit. My response was a month or two of disruption that then things settle back to a something like they are now - people still trading with people, businesses still trading with businesses. He said that they had experienced a similar response from most of the businesses they spoke to throughout the country - the only difference to that attitude was in London.

[Barry]

BBC:

"Nicola Sturgeon says MSPs at Holyrood could veto Brexit
Posted at 11:50

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has told the BBC that Holyrood could try to block the UK's exit from the EU.

She was speaking following a referendum on Thursday which saw Britain vote by 52% to 48% to leave Europe.

However, in Scotland the picture was different with 62% backing Remain and 38% wanting to go.

SNP leader Ms Sturgeon said that "of course" she would ask MSPs to refuse to give their "legislative consent". "