911 2.7rs Rep at Coys

[mycar]

It seems incredible that in a few short posts the authenticity of this engine has been thrown into doubt.

With all the records that are kept on these rare, very expensive cars, surely it must be fairly straight forward to verify this engine is genuinely what we all presumed it to be ?

For a starter what significance do the stars at the beginning and end of the engine numbers photographed above have. I presume they're there to prevent numbers being added, did all RS engine have the stars ?

[Superlight7]

I'm likely wrong and sure there will be a que of experts to tell me but were some early RS.s not built on 72 shells.

You would say that

Hmm, you amuse me

[23e Heure]

Sorry, only meant as a gentle self deprecating tease

If you read back through the thread, you'll see it's an echo of Jason teasing me for similar reason: like you, my RS rep is on a 72 shell, so we are sitting targets for raised eyebrows if we say such cars a valuable!

[Darren65]

Sorry, only meant as a gentle self deprecating tease

If you read back through the thread, you'll see it's an echo of Jason teasing me for similar reason: like you, my RS rep is on a 72 shell, so we are sitting targets for raised eyebrows if we say such cars a valuable!

.....dead right.....72 reps should all be ST wannabees, but then.......

[manipou]

It seems incredible that in a few short posts the authenticity of this engine has been thrown into doubt.

With all the records that are kept on these rare, very expensive cars, surely it must be fairly straight forward to verify this engine is genuinely what we all presumed it to be ?

For a starter what significance do the stars at the beginning and end of the engine numbers photographed above have. I presume they're there to prevent numbers being added, did all RS engine have the stars ?

Looking at the number, I don’t think it's incredible that the authenticity is in doubt. However if it's proved that it's original then great!

Personally I’ve not seen any early engine numbers that look like that, but I’m sure Porsche's Classic dept in Germany can clear this up if the new owner wants to ask.

[gridgway]

Wasn't it the stars that were hotly debated in the "Pesto" "RS"?

[210bhp]

A couple of points.

The first prototype RS's were built with oil door 72 shells and there are at least two that remain in existence.

Having known the car in this thread and most of the owners since its conversion to RS spec I don't think there is any doubt that there is a question mark about the absolute authenticity of it having a complete original RS engine from top to bottom lifted from a genuine RS chassis.

Still a very nice car.

Regards
Mike

[Superlight7]

Sorry, only meant as a gentle self deprecating tease

If you read back through the thread, you'll see it's an echo of Jason teasing me for similar reason: like you, my RS rep is on a 72 shell, so we are sitting targets for raised eyebrows if we say such cars a valuable!

No problems....although reading the thread it seems 2 prototypes were built on 72 oil flap cars, making our reps more unique.....just need to find the engine numbers for those prototypes and stamp our blocks up respectively....LOL

[Schnellmann2]

I've just noticed this thread and as it relates to my former car thought I would add a couple of points.

Frankly I am gobsmacked to hear there is some doubt about the authenticity of the engine. I bought it on understanding it was a genuine RS engine. I had the car inspected by various people for valuation before and after purchase and also when it was worked upon (Jaz, Maxted Page, Sportwagen, Specialst Car of Malton, Virgin 911 and Coys). At no point was the authenticity of the engine questioned.

With respect to whether it was worth more or less than the £77k plus fees it sold for...well I had it valued a few times and they all settled around the £75k mark. I would have happily sold it for more.

I do know that it drove very well and didn't give me any problems in the 7000 miles of ownership even though it was driven quite enthusiastically at times. Best drive was probably chasing a 991 GT3 in Scotland as part of Pistonheads trip this year. Was a very twisty road and I was stuck like glue to the GT3's bumper. Owner of the GT3 said that my car wasn't standard or I was the next Lewis Hamilton - both completely untrue! He just couldn't believe what a well sorted early 911 can do.

Much as I enjoyed the car I'm too wrapped up with my motorbike at present to consider 4 wheels. Given how prices of early 911s are going through the roof I can't see myself having another unless there is a crash. A pity really.

[210bhp]

Frankly I am gobsmacked to hear there is some doubt about the authenticity of the engine. I bought it on understanding it was a genuine RS engine. I had the car inspected by various people for valuation before and after purchase and also when it was worked upon (Jaz, Maxted Page, Sportwagen, Specialst Car of Malton, Virgin 911 and Coys). At no point was the authenticity of the engine questioned.

Some of us have known this car for a long long long time.

Just goes to show that even 'experts' don't know everything.

Regards
Mike

[Magnum]

Apologies in advance Schnellmann - no comment on you or the car but the relative economy of Mike's post really does appeal to me..... never was so much said with so few words!!!

I love simplicity!

[gridgway]

So what does genuine rs engine mean? If Bob sourced cases what were the rest of the components?

[Mick Cliff]

The engine previous to the one currently in the car was also a 'genuine' RS and all the componentry was transferred from the old engine to the new. Superficial checking confirmed that major items were genuine RS. Injector pump, MFI and ignition are/were the real deal, for example. The car latterly ran Clewett XDi crank-fire ignition, but the original distributor etc was with the car.

[gridgway]

It's only pure academic interest on my part about what one would expect from a genuine RS engine. For me, I'd think somehow that a transfer of major components from one engine to a different pair of cases diminishes it somewhat. I'm not sure how that matters in any way!
Graham

[majordad]

Indeed, you cannot judge/evaluate everything on today's 'view' when looking at actions from the past.

My humble bitza hot rod has had 3 engines along the way from 1988. In 1992 I needed a bigger/better engine to be faster on the hillclimbs, so built a 2.4E/S on mech inj=180bhp.
7R cases and all that but it was just another engine. I sold it to an Irish man for £1000 and bought a 3.2 to go faster on the hill climbs etc for £2K with it's sports cooled box.

These engines came from old porsches, nothing special, but the 2.4 was from an E with all stock parts and S p&b.

It would be a very prized engine today; then it was £200 in bits but complete.

As to this car, if the buyer saw it, fancied it, he has paid what he is comfortable with so all involved are happy.
If the engine is/isn't a real 2.7 RS then that will be for the buyer to come to terms with, he made the decision to buy?

Don't you take this risk via an auction purchase?

Just caught up on this thread now, my post is the one before you made this one, and I AM THAT Irishman. I still have your 2.4 E Engine.