'74 911/83 2.7 LHD

[Sam]

So you're saying my Targa is worth more than an RS?

[Lightweight_911]

Definitely ...

[210bhp]

I think the problem with the 74/5 Carrera coupes is that beyond squidgy bumpers they didn't offer anything over an RS touring and that they made too many of them.

Rarity and performance must combine for maximum value.

Which is why the 74/5 Targa is where the smart money goes. Only 600 made in total, just 40 for the UK and only 10 are known to still be here and working. Now that's rare. Add to that the fact that the car is absolutely unique in being the only time Porsche have *ever* put their high performance motorsport engine in an open car and you'll start to see why they are the choice of the discerning collector, enthusiast and gentleman.

Which is why I begged Ian not to butcher the one he discovered (even though it was in a dreadful state) a few years ago. I suppose you don't care, it makes yours even rarer!
I was shot down in flames at the time but do I care? ....... Well not really, because it's only a couple of months ago I inspected another one in Glasgow for another DDKer which was a terrific find (absolutely totally original laid up in the dry for over ten years) but sadly that one too is destined for the chop to get at the engine. Another one down Sam!

Regards
Mike

[jtparr]

At least I didn't back date it

....cough....

[Bertroex]

You weren't alone, Mike!

Remember that 356 Carrera convertible that is running a super 90 engine? Robert Gants, I think? Same situation will happen 30 years down the line with these carrera 2.7 targa's. People will ask themselves what on earth were people thinking, putting these engines in reps and pseudo racers of sorts.

But hey. It'll be a case of the have's now vs those who will never have or will be able to.



Bert

[ChrisW]

I think that Jason is spinning the market again ...

Watch what he says and assume the opposite ?

And numbers apart, a Targa isn't the place for a racing engine --- as the market judged for itself at the time.

But a great start for a retro RS when married to a good long bonnet !!

[964RS]

I doubt it. No-one ever listens to me! LOL

I don't think you can spin this market even if you tried. Ask anyone on here if they expected what is happening now what they thought would happen 4 years ago and no-one would honestly have known.

Targas with asking prices over £100k??? I mean FFS!!

[964RS]

There are however a number of dealers spinning the market and taking the less knowledgeable along for the ride.

I don't mind though they can do as they please, I have my little stable for now and although one may go at some point in the future I think the others might be with me for many many years to come

[left4dead]

Asking price of Euros 85,000.

[ChrisW]

It's no one dealer Jason .. and prices are free for all to see.

The market is the market --- but I will agree that a very pretty '73RS Touring seems very expensive at over £300k --- no matter how good it is.

€85k in the current climate does not by comparison, seem so high.

There were fewer 2.7 Carerra's than 2.7RS, in some respects they were genuinely improved (rear suspension arm in cast alloy rather than the fabricated steel), impact bumpers lasted longer than almost any other design feature and served a purpose --- in fact, Porsche almost uniquely turned them into a design feature.

And the HD cars are excruciatingly scarce --- maybe there are 25 good ones left in the UK from '74 and '75 ---once the retro'd and robbed for parts are removed from the equation.

After all, how many have over the years been sacrificed to keep a good RS in bits ?

I know a number of RS' that had donor engines where the numbers suddenly became matching again ...

In fact, I know of two engines with the same number ...

[oldtimer]

To be fair I'm not sure I've ever driven one although the feeling of nausea from viewing the outside would quickly turn to blowing chunks on seeing the inside and this in turn make it a tad difficult to pedal and still be able to see through the vegetable laden windscreen.

Morning all , its Good Friday in SW7 and am too lazy to go down the lock-up in W14 to fiddle with the 911E .

Jason , I'm sort of with you on the above comment but would probably not go so far as to empty stomach contents. I spent a few hours over a period of a few months 2011/2 admiring the resto that Phil Hindley did on a '74 Euro Carrera rescued from a sunny state in the US . Ended up as per its CoA , acid blue paint and dark blue vinyl tombstones , with nice chrome trim and refreshed underpinnings . I developed a blind spot for the IBs , but on the inside could not do same for the padded steering wheel and tombstone seats.......driving with eyes shut not an option.....but that was a very nice car for the money.

[964RS]

It's no one dealer Jason .. and prices are free for all to see.

There are however a number of dealers spinning the market

Never said it was.

It was the choice of a 74/75 Carrera or a 73 2.4S for same money I know where my money would be!

Some cars are scarce for a reason, no bugger wanted them in the first place

I still think they were right

[Guy]

I think the problem with the 74/5 Carrera coupes is that beyond squidgy bumpers they didn't offer anything over an RS touring and that they made too many of them.

Rarity and performance must combine for maximum value.

Which is why the 74/5 Targa is where the smart money goes. Only 600 made in total, just 40 for the UK and only 10 are known to still be here and working. Now that's rare. Add to that the fact that the car is absolutely unique in being the only time Porsche have *ever* put their high performance motorsport engine in an open car and you'll start to see why they are the choice of the discerning collector, enthusiast and gentleman.

Which is why I begged Ian not to butcher the one he discovered (even though it was in a dreadful state) a few years ago. I suppose you don't care, it makes yours even rarer!
I was shot down in flames at the time but do I care? ....... Well not really, because it's only a couple of months ago I inspected another one in Glasgow for another DDKer which was a terrific find (absolutely totally original laid up in the dry for over ten years) but sadly that one too is destined for the chop to get at the engine. Another one down Sam!

Regards
Mike

Mike, was that the black one now in Germany or another?

Guy

[210bhp]

Guy

I don't know where it went exactly but was told it went to Europe. If you post a link or some pictures or some numbers I can confirm one way or the other.

Regards
Mike

[Guy]

If this is the one from what the new owner in Germany (I think he's a dentist!) was saying it doesn't sound like the the intention is to separate the engine. The car is by all accounts too good for that.