As you type that aren't you thinking this is complete nonsense? It must include >25% of the cars on the road? I agree the word isn't a rational place and people don't often see the stupidity of that they are proposing, I work for an organisation like that for example, but surely not this time?KS wrote:As he says, forget driving your historic car, forget trying to modify your car, period – this is the ultimate aim of the proposed legislation.
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...some calming advice from a mate in the auto press...
“My personal advice - don't worry, despite the scaremongering!
Been researching all of this since it came out last week.
Looking into it what they are actually suggesting is that any car that doesn't meet type approval I.e. That isn't standard - should have to go for an IVA test. And that's the very worst case situation. They are not banning anything or making anything illegal.
Most well built cars should pass an IVA anyway, but regardless of that it seems it will be MoT testers that will have the power to decide whether your car needs an IVA test or not. Most of us have friendly MoT testers anyway, so again, shouldn't be a problem if your car is all safe.
Lastly, the chances of the UK taking it up? Minimal in my opinion. It would require millions of pounds to enforce properly and going from past actions I simply can't see the UK going for it. ”
“My personal advice - don't worry, despite the scaremongering!
Been researching all of this since it came out last week.
Looking into it what they are actually suggesting is that any car that doesn't meet type approval I.e. That isn't standard - should have to go for an IVA test. And that's the very worst case situation. They are not banning anything or making anything illegal.
Most well built cars should pass an IVA anyway, but regardless of that it seems it will be MoT testers that will have the power to decide whether your car needs an IVA test or not. Most of us have friendly MoT testers anyway, so again, shouldn't be a problem if your car is all safe.
Lastly, the chances of the UK taking it up? Minimal in my opinion. It would require millions of pounds to enforce properly and going from past actions I simply can't see the UK going for it. ”
Peter
'69 911T UK RHD enjoying since 2002
'86 924S - Gone but not forgotten. Porsche's best kept secret...
'04 911 40th Anniversary now gone
'11 911 GTS manual of course...
'69 911T UK RHD enjoying since 2002
'86 924S - Gone but not forgotten. Porsche's best kept secret...
'04 911 40th Anniversary now gone
'11 911 GTS manual of course...
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I have to leave to drive up to Hedingham now but after talking to John Ball, who incidentally knows the German bureaucrat responsible for the discussion paper, it is clear this is not something to ignore.theorangeperil wrote:...some calming advice from a mate in the auto press...
“My personal advice - don't worry, despite the scaremongering!
Been researching all of this since it came out last week.
Looking into it what they are actually suggesting is that any car that doesn't meet type approval I.e. That isn't standard - should have to go for an IVA test. And that's the very worst case situation. They are not banning anything or making anything illegal.
Most well built cars should pass an IVA anyway, but regardless of that it seems it will be MoT testers that will have the power to decide whether your car needs an IVA test or not. Most of us have friendly MoT testers anyway, so again, shouldn't be a problem if your car is all safe.
Lastly, the chances of the UK taking it up? Minimal in my opinion. It would require millions of pounds to enforce properly and going from past actions I simply can't see the UK going for it. ”
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I suspect most classic cars would fail the IVA hence the hassle it is for speedsters. Once the rule is in place there is nothing to stop the IVA bar being raised (minimum emissions standards?)theorangeperil wrote:
Most well built cars should pass an IVA anyway, but regardless of that it seems it will be MoT testers that will have the power to decide whether your car needs an IVA test or not. Most of us have friendly MoT testers anyway, so again, shouldn't be a problem if your car is all safe.
Lastly, the chances of the UK taking it up? Minimal in my opinion. ”
If it get signed off as EU law, will that not automatically be forced over UK? Does the UK have an opt out?
Unlike other EU countries, you can't (usually) slip the official a bung to bypass the rules.
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For now? 
Peter
'69 911T UK RHD enjoying since 2002
'86 924S - Gone but not forgotten. Porsche's best kept secret...
'04 911 40th Anniversary now gone
'11 911 GTS manual of course...
'69 911T UK RHD enjoying since 2002
'86 924S - Gone but not forgotten. Porsche's best kept secret...
'04 911 40th Anniversary now gone
'11 911 GTS manual of course...
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Read it and weep...
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Seems to be even worse than feared.
"If it meets the safety and environmental requirements, the vehicle will not become illegal"
EDIT:
Assume this means IVA testing. Wasn't sure about emission testing, but just seen New Wheeler Dealers - unfinished Cobra project. The previous owner had given up, and they had to have a complete new exhaust system made up complete with CATs.
"If it meets the safety and environmental requirements, the vehicle will not become illegal"
EDIT:
Assume this means IVA testing. Wasn't sure about emission testing, but just seen New Wheeler Dealers - unfinished Cobra project. The previous owner had given up, and they had to have a complete new exhaust system made up complete with CATs.