6603 Paint Code

[DEEMAN]

Hi everyone.
I have searched the past topics but nothing is curently available so...
Can someone show me, tell me, help me with 1966 Colour 6603. I see Gulf Blue, I see Golf Blue but which is it. Pelican parts show yet another ref code against this number, and according to them Gulf Blue. Another reference says that it is a US paint but available as special order only.
My Sept build 65 RHD car has this code on its plate.
There is some paint, which I feel sure is original colour, under dash-panel but the car has been repainted - several times!!!
If anyone can show me a car in this colour I would be so grateful.
I feel sure one or more of you guys will know
Thanking you in anticipation
Ian

[buzz808]

ian
i did a early 66 a few years back what we believe was gulf blue, also did a 68 in a later version of gulf blue a lot lighter


i hope this helps
also own a 65 rhd 911 myself which i picked up here in New Zealand,bit of a shed but turns out to be the first 911 in NZ
any photos /info on your car
alex

[Rustbucket]

I wasn't sure on the Aetna Blue of my 356 so I phoned up Pelican who very, very kindly gave me the mixing codes.
I went to my local auto factors who couldn't mix the formula due to their paint system, but gave me a contact of a local crash repair center who did use it.
For £15 the crash center mixed a small batch and did a colour swatch for me on a thin metal tester.
I could then compare the colour with the few bits of original paint left on the car, it was a perfect match as far as I was concerned esp as the paint I was matching it with was far older...

So, I was happy to order a few litres knowing it was a match.

Plus having a decent sized swatch to given them meant they were able to mix it by eye into Cellulose, my preference, as I wanted to avoid that modern car plastic look 2k can give, plus I wasn't spraying it in a booth with an air fed mask!

Doing something like this might be the safest route ?

[Jesse]

There seems to be a misunderstanding here, it might have something to do with translation from German to English.

In the US all I´ve ever heard is "Gulf blue" for both the lighter GULF color and darker "Golf blue" which in reality is a totally different color.

I own a -65 production 912 with the paintcode 6603 Golf Blue so I have been investigating this quite alot.

[210bhp]

AFAIK golf is just the straight German translation of gulf. Both mean the same thing.

The first gulf blue appears in 66 and 67 model years hence the 66 prefix. It was never available for 65 model year, not even as a special colour.

It reappeared in 72 model year, but this is a totally different colour to the earlier 66 code.

Regards
Mike

[Jesse]

Thanks for the clarification Mike!

Mine is a -65 production 66 so the color/code is correct. It even had a hand written in crayon "Golf blau" on the upper dash.

[210bhp]

Jesse

Just for further clarification what was the build month of your 912?

Regards
Mike

[Jesse]

Sure Mike, I don´t have a build date but here´s the info from the COA, maybe someone knows how to trace the build date?


Year/Type
-66 912

Date of delivery
16.09.1965

Interior/Type
Leatherette black

Exterior color
6603 Golf blue

Options
Sunvisors with mirror
Colored windows
Outside mirror left
Safety belts

Delivered to
P.C Southeast, Jacksonville

[210bhp]

Thanks Jesse

You have confirmed that the car is a 66 model which means the description of it being a 65 is a little confusing (although it was built in the calendar year 65). Must be one of the first gulf blue cars.

6603



Regards
Mike

[Jesse]

Thanks for bringing this up Mike!

I got confused when initially registred the car on http://www.912vin.com

It´s listed as a -65 model there, perhaps their database is based on production year, not model year thus it says "model year"?

That color of golf blue looks extremely light, compared to photos that I´ve come across. Im getting ready for a full respray to 6603 this summer so I really need to straighten this out.


Some pics from my stash of 6603, seems like its a bit hard color to capture.

[Lightweight_911]

It's very difficult to gauge some colours from computer images accurately - the first car shown in your post above Jesse is the very same car posted by Mike - Eric Linden's car ...

[210bhp]

It's very difficult to gauge some colours from computer images accurately - the first car shown in your post above Jesse is the very same car posted by Mike - Eric Linden's car ...

It could be your eyes Andy. the colour in the two photos look exactly the same to me



MONET
The situation was different for Monet (1840-1926). We know from medical records and correspondence that he had cataracts that worsened steadily over the decade from 1912 to 1922.4-6,15 Slowly progressive age-related cataracts (nuclear sclerosis) manifest as yellowing and darkening of the lens that are directly visible to an examining ophthalmologist and have a major effect on color perception as well as visual acuity. The visual simulations of this study are based on estimation of the lens discoloration that is typically associated with differing levels of visual acuity loss from chronic nuclear sclerotic cataracts.

Monet was aware of his failing vision in 1912 and consulted several different ophthalmologists, who diagnosed cataracts.4-6,15 Surgery was recommended for the worse eye, but Monet was very resistant even though the operation was well established and relatively safe at this time. Interestingly, he was worried that his color perception would be altered by the surgery (although one might argue that it would become more normal). Since Monet only described slightly reduced vision and was having no major difficulties with his art or his personal life, his visual acuity in 1912 was probably no worse than 20/50.

By 1914 to 1915, Monet's visual difficulties were becoming more serious. He wrote that "colors no longer had the same intensity for me . . . reds had begun to look muddy . . . my painting was getting more and more darkened. He felt that he could no longer distinguish or choose colors well and was "on the one hand trusting solely to the labels on the tubes of paint and, on the other, to force of habit. He could still read and write with effort, so I would estimate that his visual acuity in 1918 was near 20/100. However, the yellowing of his lens caused greater difficulty with his art than the blur. Figure 3A and B compare a photograph of Monet's garden and a painting of the scene from 1899 (when his vision was unimpaired). garden as it would have appeared to Monet around 1915. Most colors are still distinguishable, but there is an overriding yellowish cast and a loss of subtle color discriminations. (sorry, cant upload the illustrations of the garden but the two pictures of Eric's car will suffice to illustrate your problem Andy. I am sure all the younger DDK ers will confirm the colour looks the same in the two pics).


Regards
Mike

[Jesse]

Im 28 and having trouble already!

[DEEMAN]

Now there interesting!
Maybe the same car but I see very different colours.
It's the sunlight, must be, I'm not that old.


What, c'mon nurse where's the h... is my dribble bib!

[davep]

I got confused when initially registred the car on http://www.912vin.com
It´s listed as a -65 model there, perhaps their database is based on production year, not model year thus it says "model year"?

The 1965 / 1966 split is very controversial. The factory did not define the model year split at all. That leaves us to define it in some fashion. My preference is to define it through a combination of paint code (64xx / 66xx), transmission serial #, and dash type. All three seem to have a marked change near the end of July 1965.
You will note that 912VIN.com has a high number of 1965 registered (and VIN range) compared to 1966, and that does not make sense considering the 356C production and the introduction of a new model. Barwaut makes it clear in his VIN table that the first model year range is a combination of 1965 model year cars, and 1966 model year cars built in calendar year 1965 and in doing so skirts the issue of defining the model year split. I would also say that it is highly unlikely that a single VIN for each VIN range 30xxxx, 35xxxx & 45xxxx could define the model year; I believe there is a transition range based on my extensive research. Paint codes are not a perfect demarcation because of the way the codes transitioned. Slate grey went from 6401 to 6601, light ivory went from 6404 to 6604, and Irish green went from 6406 to 6606, so I believe there is no better reason for the change than model year. However ruby red was 6402 and polo red was 6602, so polo red is, to me, a 1966 model year. However if you wanted ruby red in 1966 you could have it as a special option colour and it would still be 6402; just like silver was always 6206 up into 1967 model year. The paint codes listed in 912VIN.com are accurate for the most part, but there are errors; 6408 does not exist, and 68xx codes do not appear before 1968 model year, so a few minor typos / no big deal.