1969 Dates of completion

[davep]

I'm working on a problem, and need the help of the community. I don't care if you see this post years later, please add whatever info you have.
The problem is essentially: when did 1969 model year production commence, and how fast were they producing cars to the end of the 1968 calendar year?
The background is this: for the 1969 model year the body changed, transitioning from the SWB to the LWB; the factory made prototypes in the 32001x series to evaluate the long wheel base to be used from 1969 onwards and later the surviving bodies were renumbered with proper 1969 VIN's (So far three such cars are known to have been renumbered, and two are in known hands. 320010 became 911S 119300001, 320011 became 911S 119300002, 320012 became 911E 119200001.); some of the Kardex information suggests that some of the early cars with VIN #'s less than 10 were delivered to the testing department in October of 1968. Surely the prototypes were produced well before series production began, and usually the new model year production began in August. The data that I have is sparse, but suggests that 1969 MY production was slow during 1968 calendar year.
What I need is to gather information from Kardex and COA that gives the 'date of completion' so that I may compile a chart of VIN & date of completion, and thus gain some understanding of the factory output during 1968. For the purposes of this research, information on late production 1968 models would also be useful. Even dates of sale or delivery might help. Thanks.

[Barwaut]

Only 911's?

[leedurrant73]

I'm working on a problem, and need the help of the community. I don't care if you see this post years later, please add whatever info you have.
The problem is essentially: when did 1969 model year production commence, and how fast were they producing cars to the end of the 1968 calendar year?
The background is this: for the 1969 model year the body changed, transitioning from the SWB to the LWB; the factory made prototypes in the 32001x series to evaluate the long wheel base to be used from 1969 onwards and later the surviving bodies were renumbered with proper 1969 VIN's (So far three such cars are known to have been renumbered, and two are in known hands. 320010 became 911S 119300001, 320011 became 911S 119300002, 320012 became 911E 119200001.); some of the Kardex information suggests that some of the early cars with VIN #'s less than 10 were delivered to the testing department in October of 1968. Surely the prototypes were produced well before series production began, and usually the new model year production began in August. The data that I have is sparse, but suggests that 1969 MY production was slow during 1968 calendar year.
What I need is to gather information from Kardex and COA that gives the 'date of completion' so that I may compile a chart of VIN & date of completion, and thus gain some understanding of the factory output during 1968. For the purposes of this research, information on late production 1968 models would also be useful. Even dates of sale or delivery might help. Thanks.

Hi Dave,

I'm sure you already have my dates, let me know if you need anything.
Lee

[IanMcLeod]

Hi Dave.

Sorry I haven't had time to reply to your PM but I have been snowed under. This is the first chance I have had to look through the data I have.

This is for RHD UK production only

1969 models

911 T

7 cars September 1968 production. None imported into the UK before October.
Two of the cars have a VIN number less than 10.

911E

1 Car produced in August and imported in September
10 cars produced in September and imported in October
Lowest VIN number is in the 90s

911S

1 car produced in August and imported in September
5 cars produced in September and imported in October.
Lowest VIN number is in the 110s

912

2 cars produced in August and imported in September and October
8 cars produced in September and imported in October
Lowest VIN number in the 40s

I'll look up the late 68 data next.

Ian.

[IanMcLeod]

Of the 7 911T produced in September one of the 'VIN less than 10' cars was the Earl's Court Motor show car that was part of the launch of the LWB cars in the UK. This show was in October and was a big annual event in the UK in those days. It was purchased at the show by a customer and is now owned by Arfor Jones who is both a PCGB member and posts on here.

As the deliveries into the UK didn't really start until October they almost certainly coincided with the Earl's Court launch.

Ian.

[davep]

Only 911's?

NO, the 912 is important also.

[IanMcLeod]

This is for RHD UK production only

Late 1968 models

911L

Last batch of 6 cars produced June 1968 and imported in July.
Highest VIN number in the 680s

911T

Last batch of 6 cars produced in July and imported in July
Highest VIN number in the 910s

911S

Last 3 produced in June & July and imported in July
Highest VIN number in the 1210s

912

Last 3 produced in June and imported in July
Highest VIN number in the 310s

Ian.

[goodtogo]

This is for RHD UK production only

Late 1968 models

911L

Last batch of 6 cars produced June 1968 and imported in July.
Highest VIN number in the 680s

911T

Last batch of 6 cars produced in July and imported in July
Highest VIN number in the 910s

911S

Last 3 produced in June & July and imported in July
Highest VIN number in the 1210s

912

Last 3 produced in June and imported in July
Highest VIN number in the 310s

Ian.

Hi Ian

I have just purchased a RHD 911 from the Coys auction a couple of days ago VIN number 11810682

Is this car in the sequence you mention ? I don't suppose you know what its original engine and transmission numbers were and who it was originally supplied to from your records ?

Kind Regards

Tim

[davep]

Tim, that does sound like it is in the last batch, and it is the highest VIN I have of that series. Do you have a link to it on Coy's site? I would like to learn more. In particular, the hidden number on the dash frame behind the knee pad and below the radio is generally the VIN up through 1968. However we need to know if it did change to the 1969 and later production # during the last days of 1968 model year. Paint code on the badge? There is much to learn from the engine and transmission #'s.

[goodtogo]

Dave

I am pretty sur that the car has its original engine but I know the gearbox has been replaced with a 74 box. I will look up the engine number for you on the car next week as the car is currently in a friends lock up. If you let me know exactly where on the car I will find the other numbers/codes you want, I can look them up at the same time.

I really need to contact Porsche to obtain a certificate of authenticity and I hope that this will have the original transmission number on it.

Do you know how I go about obtaining this certificate ?

I am going to try and locate the original gearbox if possible with a view to reinstalling it, or one very close to it date wise.

I was told that the car was imported from Guernsey in 1992 and since 1998, which was its last change of keeper, it has done less than 2000 miles!

http://www.coys.co.uk/auction.php?itemI ... ctionID=20


Regards

Tim



Regards

Tim

[carlos fandango]

I have a LHD 1969 911T, manufactured in September 1968. It was sent to California when it left the factory.

I'm not sure how this works, do you want me to pm the details?

As an aside, does anyone know how to trace the ownership history from the 'states? I've emailed the dealership but they haven't responded. ( Well they have, but they want to sell me a new car and have ignored my requests...) Is there a better way?

[IanMcLeod]

This is for RHD UK production only

Late 1968 models

911L

Last batch of 6 cars produced June 1968 and imported in July.
Highest VIN number in the 680s.

...

Hi Ian

I have just purchased a RHD 911 from the Coys auction a couple of days ago VIN number 11810682

Is this car in the sequence you mention ? I don't suppose you know what its original engine and transmission numbers were and who it was originally supplied to from your records ?

Kind Regards

Tim

Hi Tim.

Yes it is one of the last batch. I do have some info on your car. PM me a way to contact you and I'll give you a call.

Ian.

[IanMcLeod]

... but I know the gearbox has been replaced with a 74 box...

That's because I think the car was a Sportomatic when delivered. Common conversion to replace with a manual box in the past.

Ian.

[davep]

I have a LHD 1969 911T, manufactured in September 1968. It was sent to California when it left the factory. I'm not sure how this works, do you want me to pm the details?

Yes, you can PM me with details, and then I can evaluate what you have given me.

[goodtogo]

... but I know the gearbox has been replaced with a 74 box...

That's because I think the car was a Sportomatic when delivered. Common conversion to replace with a manual box in the past.

Ian.

Ian

Thank you for that. The car was not sold to me as a sportomatic by Coys at the auction, this has now all come out as I have looked further into the car's history.

I have pm'd you.

Tim