RS Replica

Bertroex · Post by **Bertroex** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:52 pm

Welcome to the forum. Caveat emptor with a lot of these cars if you are a newbie.

It is very well possible that any of these cars can look to you as a "nice 911 for t'budget" but to others could potentially be an amalgam of cheap glassfibre tat tacked onto a rusty 3.2 carrera that was conveniently crashed to save dismantling the impact bumpers.

Not implying that this was the case with the cited cars, but I hope you catch my drift.

The best piece of advice I ever got (but rejected, of course) was to buy as good a car as your budget allows. For 20K you could get yourself a very nice impact bumper 911 or a hotted up 964 or even a nice 993 that you can polish until kingdom come and stare at in the garage until the cows come home. Buy privately and you could even stretch to a mighty turbo- iconic or what.

But.... RS rep?! An RS rep is replicating a renn sport 911:a car that is light, has the mag gearbox and the 2.7 MFI 210bhp engine, looks/drives/weighs/IS the same as a real one bar the chassis number , originality and provenance. I doubt whether any of these cars mentioned above come 10% close to a real one.

An RS rep is more than some backdated bumpers, a ducktail and some sidewinders. Moreover, by the looks of it even the sidewinders could be in the wrong font.

Come to a number of Porsche meetings. Buy a couple of books like Peter Morgan "the original 911" and the restorers guide to originality. Start reading a bit about what it costs to maintain these things. It would be a damn shame if your 20k purchase suddenly requires another 8,5K to make good. How many people have we seen now that purchased their dream and ended up with a financial nightmare?

Have a look on Nick Moss' website to see what glassfibre parts could hide. If you REALLY want an RS looksielikesy, then buy a super good SC or 3.2 carrera in GP white with history from a club member. Have it backdated by a reputable specialist. I bet you still have a few thousand left in your pocket to take it straight to the Alps.

My two cents!

Good luck,

Bert

964RS · Post by **964RS** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:12 pm

Well said Bert.

There are lots of 'reps' about but 90% of these have had a few little changes to make it look similar to the real thing and thats it.

They then don't exactly sell quickly come re-sale.......if at all!

Unless you can afford a REALLY good one with the correct mods done at a price then Berts advice is very sensible.

A lot of these cars I feel hide a lot of issues just to look pretty on the outside.

Your money so your choice but I'd think looooong and hard about it and don't rush a purchase

Rupsol · Post by **Rupsol** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:33 pm

Blimey I feel a bit down in the dumps now

I understand the originality of the replica thing (apologies for the phraseology) but as I have stated I am not looking for a perfect replica. Just a nice fun car to enjoy. Perhaps I am being niaeve..who knows. Whatever car I intend to buy will definately have a PPI before a money changes hands. I am going to see the white car on Saturday as it is only down the road from me. Will let you know what its like. There is a Autofarm report on it verifying the age of the shell which is good.

Bertroex · Post by **Bertroex** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:05 pm

No offense to Autofarm, which must be doing something right as they have been more or less in business since 1973.

But a report to verify the age of the shell?!

Thats like a timpsons cobbler stating that indeed, the soles of these brogues are... leather.

What info does that give you?

What you want to know is whether they were worn by Winston Churchill!

Come to a meet or go and visit a specialist early 911 restorer. You'll learn more in a few hours from seeing project cars in various states of repair than any buyers guide will teach you. In the end, that experience will pay you back multiple times over when buying your own good 911.

My apologies in advance if I came accros a bit harsh and "bottom-lined". I don't suffer enterprises gladly who try to pull a fast one. I'd rather prevent someone loosing money down a black hole beforehand as opposed to providing support afterwards. That is, when the true extend of possible bodges come to light.

For a first foray into 911 ownership, it makes sense to buy the best you can afford. Even if it means you have to settle for a later model (and possibly backdate it to your liking) .

Take care,

Bert

964RS · Post by **964RS** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:21 pm

Don't want to scare you off either but you have said the one thing already that I would recommend - GET A PPI done, from someone like Peter Morgan.

These cars rust and get damaged and corrode and leak and and and.....can cost you a small fortune to put right and ruin the experience.

Buy a real good'un though and you'll never look back!!!

Good luck in the hunt...

Rupsol · Post by **Rupsol** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:29 pm

I spoke to Nick Moss at some length earlier today and he gave me some good advice so thanks for that. As I have said any car will be subject to a PPI. Bert I thank you for your comments. Please remember I am not looking for an exact copy or even an authentic one. I am not a purist (am I on the right forum?) If the car is an assembly of parts then that is ok as long as its decent and not bodged. I wish I had 40k - 50k to spend but I havent ( I have other expensive hobbies including racing classic scramblers) All I am concered about is that I dont get ripped off and I will do all I can to make sure that doesnt happed. if i smell a rat i will walk away. By the way saw this on ebay....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... K:MEWAX:IT

anyone want to try and put a value on it and cost to complete? Jesus my tool box is quaking

hot66 · Post by **hot66** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:15 pm

don't worry, we're not purists on here

..... just don't like to see people get ripped off with junk being passed as a good car. Early 911s are pretty basic / simple cars really, but there are plenty that have been bodged together in the pursuit of an easy £££ With a bit of knowledge & patience the right car will come along

sladey · Post by **sladey** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:42 am

Hi, and welcome to the forum

Re this one (the second one):-

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C158729/[/quote]

It's not a 2,7 rep, but a 3.0 RS(R) looky likey. I'm not being picky on that but it's basically an adaptation of an impact bumper car. By starting with a 2.4 then they've gone about it the hard way (look at the bonnet - it uses the later shorter bonnet which has a different slam panel underneath).

If you like that look then I would suggest an easier way to achieve it would be buy a good impact bumper car and change the bumpers.

If you want the earlier car look then join the club - I own a backdated 87 3.2 carrera (There's a long thread about it in the restoration section - at http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6932 ).

I do really like that 3.0 RS(R) look, but I prefer the earlier look - the americans call them longhoods.

In the nicest possible way I think Bert has missed the point (sorry Berty boy) - you're actually after the look of an early car not trying to recreate the iconic driving experience. Nothing wrong with that.

If you MUST have the early look then beware - there's a deceptive amount of expensive work involved in a good backdate, but some people have used it as a chance to tart up a crappy car (not commenting on any of those shown)

If you can wait a bit then I'd probably get a god IB car and backdate it yourself over a period of time OR got for the 3.0 look as mentioned above - would be cheaper to achieve

I agree get a good PPI done

Good luck

Cheers

Mark

Rupsol · Post by **Rupsol** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:45 am

Superb thread really enjoyed it and the car is beautiful...you are a man after my own heart Mark. Be interested in costs if you could PM me? No probs if want to keep it to yourself.

Nick Moss · Post by **Nick Moss** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:58 am

I am planning to see the ebay project this morning on behalf of another customer.

Rupsol · Post by **Rupsol** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:05 am

Be interested in what you find Nick

Nick Moss · Post by **Nick Moss** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:10 pm

Having had a good look at the eBay project car, it's not something I would want to be associated with

Disco · Post by **Disco** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:37 pm

without wanting to put the dampeners on things - and I could be wrong, but early 20's could be a little on the low side for an early car.

not sure if this one is for sale still but :

http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/viewto ... ht=#234987

good luck. when I started I thought that I could get a fantastic S for chips, in the end I managed (touch wood ) to get a pretty good T, - I'm happy with what I've got although if I'd had another 20k to play with, I would have got an S. - i just had unrealistic expectations around price!

disco

Disco · Post by **Disco** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:40 pm

without wanting to put the dampeners on things - and I could be wrong, but early 20's could be a little on the low side for an early car.

not sure if this one is for sale still but : edit - just noticed that its now sold!

http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/viewto ... ht=#234987

good luck. when I started I thought that I could get a fantastic S for chips, in the end I managed (touch wood ) to get a pretty good T, - I'm happy with what I've got although if I'd had another 20k to play with, I would have got an S. - i just had unrealistic expectations around price!

disco

IanMcLeod · Post by **IanMcLeod** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:51 pm

nick-moss wrote:Having had a good look at the eBay project car, it's not something I would want to be associated with

I came to the same opinion after 10 minutes on the phone with the seller.

Ian.

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