914/6 GT restoration and conversion thread

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GT panel fitment

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As I said before I got all the GT fibreglass panels on the US from various sources. Not surprisingly they all needed a lot of work. The bumper mounts had to be completely removed and replaced with bonded in metal mounting brackets so the panel gaps were perfect. I ended up getting GT rocker covers from Barrie Martin of Technic Motorsport which were a better fit.
Panels ready to fit
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Bonnet was a reasonable fit without much fettling
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Boot lid needed some adjusting to size. You can see here it was a little too long when we first fitted it. I also reinforced the mounting holes and lock area over and above what the manufacturer had done so they would stand the test of time.
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You will see on the final build pictures I fitted a Gerney spoiler which I got from Performance Products in the US. This helped considerably to stiffen up the boot lid. These were fitted in period but not on the original GT cars. I think they suit the car, they certainly make the boot lid easier to handle and it will give a appreciable level of downforce at speed for not a lot of extra weight. Here is a picture of a 914 in period with the same Gerney spoiler fitted as well as a front air dam. Rumour has it that some Porsche dealers in the US offered them as an aftermarket kit.
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I also modified the bumper cut out to straighten the profile and match the bumpers. The bumper ends were also 'filled in' to give them a more substantial look.
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GT bonnet pins

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I bought a GT bonnet pin kit on ebay from guy in Germany who regularly advertises. It was very nicely made with chamfered edges on the plates and aluminium pins.
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Corner plates were welded into the bonnet recess corners for the pins. I then fitted neoprene foam around each pin to help seal the holes in the bonnet and give a better spring pres fit for the clips.
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Bonnet support stay

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There seems to be countless ways to do this so I looked at all I could find and came up with this this. I was trying to get something that was lightweight and so the bonnet wouldn't fall if it was blown in the wind. Because it is in the middle it is also much more stable and much stronger but still completely out of the way for loading luggage. A singe stay on one side just wouldn't work with the relatively flimsy glass fibre bonnet.
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GT fuel filler access

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This mods is so useful and the way I've designed it, it can still be locked away if you are cocerned about someone tampering with the cap or stealing fuel. This design also means that it is completely sealed and no water gets beyond the fuel filler tray unlike many other designs I've seen.
I used a standatd cap, removed the rubber seals and welded on a turning fin before re-plating it and refitting the seals.
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GT engine lid & cover

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I was really pleased with how this turned out. I made several of these before settling on this design. First of all I made 2 engine covers using a single piece of expanded mesh. I even made one with titanium mesh to save weight. Getting a factory look fit and finish with a single sheet of mesh is very difficult because of the triple curvature of the engine lid.
I then decided to use a spare original mesh grill from another engine lid to make a double mesh grill. The result was exactly what I was looking for. It really looks like it could be a factory items and I fitted it with all new edge trims and rubber edging between the grills and the central solid piece.
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I also made a fitted cover that clips easily to 5 little pins integrated into the engine lid. Just helps to keep heavy rain out of the engine bay if the car is left out over night whilst I'm away on rallies. With the torrential rain we had in southern Germany, Slovenia & Croatia in June ths year on the Classic Marathon it proved very useful.
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I really like that tonneau cover for the engine lid, very neat. I keep meaning to buy one of those 'Umbrella covers' from the states for this purpose.

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Post by Barry »

Fabulous thread, this one 8) . Loving all of it, but particularly the engine grill and cover.

I should think this is all a bit more fun than those earlier trials and tribulations in the States? :) .

BTW, I like the colour / polished Fuchs on the above one, James 8) .
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Glad to see someone else beavering away in the garage!

Good stuff, and a nice read that is different to a 911.

914-6's are growing on me a lot; they seem to be so much fun and different, but I cannot see me selling mt 911 hotrod, and no space or time for anything else than the Lola. :alien:

Keep going and keep the pics flowing. :drunken:
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Loving the external petrol filler cap idea.One question though, why is your cap metal and mine (on a 74) is plastic ?
I guess there were changes but at what year. Thanks
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Lovely work, stiffening up the chassis and mounting that engine bar mount and cage, all looks quality.

I like the look of the rear spoiler too, this is going to be a beauty i can tell 8)
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White Van Man wrote:Loving the external petrol filler cap idea.One question though, why is your cap metal and mine (on a 74) is plastic ?
I guess there were changes but at what year. Thanks
Caps were metal up to '73 model year
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Engine rebuild nightmare

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When I bought the car from the US it came with a list of bills showing a comprehensive rebuild with RSR cams and JE pistons & bores. All the right bits seemed to have been replaced and checked according to the receipts. This had been one of the key things to check when the car was inspected in the US and the 'inspector' had indicated that the engine was good and ran well (but you already know how reliable he was!). In terms of what I bought it probably represented 1/2 of the value package and the key assumption was that the engine would not need any work.
From the moment the car was removed from the shipping container near Liverpool and it wouldn't start things only went down hill.
Before stripping the car for modification it was sent to a local rolling road to test the engine to see if it would reveal anything.
The report wasn't good. When they did get it to run under load on the rollers it was dishing out a lot of smoke with some obvious dips in the torque curve as well as being distinctly under power for a 2.2RSR cam'd high compression engine. I think it peaked about 170bhp but was running like a dog.
So the engine was removed before anything else and sent to a guy I had used reliably for several years on other classic cars including Mini's, Alpines, TR's, Westfields, etc.
For whatever reason he decided to let me down big style and kept promising to start work on the engine 'next week', but 5 month later it was still sitting on the same pallet it was delivered on with no sign of any change. This particular business had got a contract to support a well financed Mitsubishi EVO rally team with a father putting up loads of money and the son demolishing the cars at the wknds ! Suddenly all their other long standing customers became 2nd priority. Regrettably I had to collect the engine/box and took it to another Porsche specialist.
Picture below shows engine out of the car and ready to go to be fixed (the first time)
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On stripping the engine they found that the pistons although recently replaced were scored on the skirts. Turns out it had 2.2/2.4T cast iron bores with new JE forged pistons. Also to our surprise it turned out to be a 2.4/2.7 crank making it a 2.4 engine rather than a 2.2 as described when it was sold !! The bores had hardly been affected by the pick up but the pistons showed scoring down the side skirts. You might have expected to find metal pick up in the oil but there was no evidence of this which was strange. In truth we never really got to the bottom of the reason for the pick up. The pistons could probably have been cleaned up, but without knowing the route cause and considering the cost of putting it all back to together then I was persuaded by the engine builder to start from scratch with new Mahle pistons and bores. So I bought a new set from DART auto in the US. It also got new rockers, S cams to replace the RSR ones, new fan cowling, Turbo valve covers, etc. etc.
Picture below shows shiny new pistons with Weltmeister collapsible oil tubes
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Picture below shows rebuilt engine before being put back in the car.
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Picture showing modified Turbo cam covers with some fins reduced so they can be removed whilst in the 914/6 engine bay without dropping the engine.
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The newly rebuilt engine was put back into the car before going back to the engine builders rolling road for set up early in 2008.
The result was an engine performance no better then before apart from the lack of smoke. Then started several months fault finding, investigation and rolling road time to determine the problem. The suspicion fell onto the MFI system early on. Although I had a recent full rebuild receipt we sent the pump away to be re-calibrated (again). Unfortunately it wasn't packaged properly by the guy who sent it and it was damaged in transit requiring some repairs and new parts but it came back with the calibration checked and was re-fitted. Result - just the same as before. The Porsche specialist was stumped and eventually ran out of ideas about why it wouldn't run properly but they were convinced it wasn't the engine and must be a problem with the MFI injection.
By now I was getting desperate and the bills were getting ridiculous with the engine still running like a pig and I refused to keep throwing money at the problem with no result. I had entered the Classic Marathon in June 2008 and so after some advice from a couple of other Porsche specialists I decided the only thing I could do to guarantee getting a running car in the time available was to bolt on some new PMOs in place of the MFI system.
A quick call to John Parr at PMO and I managed to jump the queue for a small premium and get a set on order. It was a simple job to fit them and get them running, but something still wasn't right. In fact the car felt almost identical to what it had been like with the MFI system ! Off to a different rolling road and after hours more on the rollers and yet another huge bill it came back just like it was before with the power and torque curves to prove it. They had tried everything on the carbs but all they managed to do was move the torque peaks up or down a little on the rev range.
See below power/torque curve as engine was received from the US with the MFI system in Apr 2007 (smoking and poor compression on 1 or 2 cylinders at this time)
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See below power/torque curve after engine completely rebuilt with PMOs fitted in May 2008 (It looked much the same with the MFI system fitted after the engine rebuild). The light and bold lines are just the start and finish curves before and after the same PMO carb set up session.
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So there I was -
- I had the engine 'professionally' inspected in the US and claimed to be good
' Had engine completely rebuilt in the UK after found to smoke and low compression on 2 cylinders.
- Loads of rolling road time and replaced/re-calibrated lots of the MFI system
- Then bought and fitted PMOs
- Loads more rolling road time and carb set up work
- Result - 12 months of work, plennty of 'experts' involved, nearly £10k spent and all I had to show for it was an engine which ran little than the day I received it from the US.

By now I was fairly convinced that it was a problem with the engine as both the new PMOs and the MFI system performed exactly the same.
The engine builder was still adamant that there wasn't a problem with the mechanicals of the engine and had eliminated this option early in the fault investigation process.
It was now only a couple of weeks before the Classic Marathon and I set to loose everything I'd spent to enter if I couldn't get the car ready in time. I took the car to Mike Bainbridge who helped me late into the evening to check the engine over. Mike found a couple of minor faults but crucially he found that the timing was out on both cams by a small amount, so he reset it and bolted it back together. It wasn't out by much but the transformation was amazing when I drove it down the road on the first test run. It wasn't perfect but the obvious flat spots had all gone and because the last rolling road sesion had messed about with the carbs jetting so much trying to get them to run better with the incorrect valve timing, they were presumably now not ideally set up for the correct valve timing.
I'd spent a small fortune and 14 mths of heart ache and it all came down to incorrect valve timing which was eliminated as an option right at the start of the investigation process because the engine builder could not acknowledge they could make a mistake.
Mike recommended Lamb's Garage rolling road near Chesterfield, so a trip there and yet another session on the rollers saw the carbs reset to run with the correct valve timing giving just over 200bhp and 160lbft torque. The car was all ready to go with a week to spare before the Marathon !!
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Mike had noticed a couple of other minor issues with the engine build but they could wait until the off season at the end of 2008 to get sorted.
More of that later.
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Post by 911hillclimber »

That is an interesting read.

It is quite surprising to hear so many experts comeing apart in many walks of life today.

So many end up at MB's!

That rolling road is not too far from me and i badly need a tune up soon!

Do you think you would have been better starting from scratch here rather than a USA car? (hind sight I know)

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Post by amallagh »

Thanks James :)

Graham,
John Lamb at Lambs Garage nr Chesterfield knows his stuff and did a great job. I can thoroughly recommend him and he does all the rolling road work himself. He is always very busy so book early. Bob Watson is the other name I hear mentioned for early car engine set up, but if John is closer then he is a good bet. Unfortunately for me they are both equally far away from home.
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