Lipman '72 911T
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Ian Donkin
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Well done Jamie - another one here would like to take a peek at what you've done at the track day tomorrow.
2006 RHD 997 Carrera (but DDK remains in my heart - also now no longer)
1972 LHD 2.4T with '73 2.4T CIS motor - gone to a new DDK home
1994 RHD 993 Carrera - gone!
1968 LHD 911L - was the Wife's but now in new hands
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1972 LHD 2.4T with '73 2.4T CIS motor - gone to a new DDK home
1994 RHD 993 Carrera - gone!
1968 LHD 911L - was the Wife's but now in new hands
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tim78
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Great stuff, lovely car. I marginally preferred the superstore Cossack video thoughjamie wrote:YouTube clip for engine sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX4LBziwuTU
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jamie
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That's my brother. It was a few years ago when he was about eight. My flatmate and I dressed him up as an Afghan guerilla and filmed him Cossack dancing around Leytonstone Tesco at 11 at night.tim78 wrote:Great stuff, lovely car. I marginally preferred the superstore Cossack video thoughjamie wrote:YouTube clip for engine sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX4LBziwuTU
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Bertroex
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Ian Donkin
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Saw Jamie and his handiwork at the track day yesterday and I have to say this is a really neat installation.
Great job Jamie
Great job Jamie
2006 RHD 997 Carrera (but DDK remains in my heart - also now no longer)
1972 LHD 2.4T with '73 2.4T CIS motor - gone to a new DDK home
1994 RHD 993 Carrera - gone!
1968 LHD 911L - was the Wife's but now in new hands
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1972 LHD 2.4T with '73 2.4T CIS motor - gone to a new DDK home
1994 RHD 993 Carrera - gone!
1968 LHD 911L - was the Wife's but now in new hands
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Greg
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Jamie - Great car. Love the color !!! As soon as I work out how to post pix I'll show you my new '67 911S Targa in exactly that color. Had to laugh about the carbs. Getting two banks of triple choke Webers to all sing from the same songsheet is a nightmare I am living daily !!
Cheers
Greg
Cheers
Greg
Greg Lund
67 911S Targa,soft rear window (Brunhilde)
91 C2 Coupe (Clementine)
01 Audi A4 2.4 Quattro
2001 Subaru Legacy twin turbo wagon (just sold)
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and an '89 SAAB Aero Turbo in Oz (for trips home)
67 911S Targa,soft rear window (Brunhilde)
91 C2 Coupe (Clementine)
01 Audi A4 2.4 Quattro
2001 Subaru Legacy twin turbo wagon (just sold)
Hokkaido Japan
and an '89 SAAB Aero Turbo in Oz (for trips home)
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jamie
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Wooha!
So I took the old map off, since it was giving loads of power but only 18mpg (!) and tried to remap it for a little more economy. This involved leaning the map off for everything but wide-open throttle, then adding fuel only when the throttle pedal is mashed to the floor.
It wouldn't work, and it was driving me mad. To cut a very long and frustrating story short, I fitted a TPS sensor, which isn't necessarily needed on this setup, then discovered not only was it screwed, but the 2 1/2 meters of tube I have running from the engine to the MAP sensor in the car is collapsing or leaking under vacuum. As a result, I only get 63kPa at idle. Most cars should give 30kPa.
Boom!
Kapow!
So there's something to work on. I have two choices - one, run some harder vac pipe or brake pipe from the engine to the ECU under the driver's seat, or run a 6-core cable from the ECU to the engine and situate the vac sensor there. I have all night to think about this...
So I took the old map off, since it was giving loads of power but only 18mpg (!) and tried to remap it for a little more economy. This involved leaning the map off for everything but wide-open throttle, then adding fuel only when the throttle pedal is mashed to the floor.
It wouldn't work, and it was driving me mad. To cut a very long and frustrating story short, I fitted a TPS sensor, which isn't necessarily needed on this setup, then discovered not only was it screwed, but the 2 1/2 meters of tube I have running from the engine to the MAP sensor in the car is collapsing or leaking under vacuum. As a result, I only get 63kPa at idle. Most cars should give 30kPa.
Boom!
Kapow!
So there's something to work on. I have two choices - one, run some harder vac pipe or brake pipe from the engine to the ECU under the driver's seat, or run a 6-core cable from the ECU to the engine and situate the vac sensor there. I have all night to think about this...
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impmad2000
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I have a length of rigid small bore Pneumatic pipe (4mm OD) I bought for this reason. PM me an address and I'll get a few meters in the post to you.jamie wrote: the 2 1/2 meters of tube I have running from the engine to the MAP sensor in the car is collapsing or leaking under vacuum.
OK ? See http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/sear ... 35&x=0&y=0
You could always change the settings to run on an "Alpha N" map instead of a speed density map. The Alpha N map maps RPM vs TPS and is often used where high lift cams give poor vacuum and pulsing problems at tickover. The Speed density, which maps manifold pressure vs RPM should be fine. I'm not sure if there is a method which uses both methods, one at tickover and one under normal driving.
Great thing about MS is that you can fiddle, and if it doesn't work, restor settings and back to normal
Cool
Tim
Tim Bennett
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RHD Targa 2.2T EFI, Triumph ITB's, EDIS and Megasquirt.
"Old enough to know what's right and young enough not to choose it"
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jamie
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Cheers for the offer, Tim. I posted a message on the MS forums, and apparently the tube I have would not be an issue.
I realised my maps were scaled from like 20kPa to 120kPa, so I rescaled them to the operating vacuum of my engine, which is 60-100kPa, then re-plumbed some AFR figures and set it to autotune.
I have it aiming for 14:1 at 80mph cruise and 15.2:1 at 70-75mph cruise. Or something... Everything else is set really lean, except at 100kPa (ie. WOT) where it's set to 13:1
I fitted a new TPS from a Mk3 Golf VR6. It's a bit shite - MS think that closed throttle is 20% open, even after calibration, but it scales well to 100%. I'm using it for acceleration enrichments, which I think I have pretty much sorted.
Overall, I think the car is running a bit lean. But it drives well, and you really have to bounce on the throttle to get it to pop even lightly
Not as fast as the last map, but better MPG for sure. It's no less powerful than when it was on the carbs, and the throttle response is really excellent
Nice. Jelly Roll would be proud.
I realised my maps were scaled from like 20kPa to 120kPa, so I rescaled them to the operating vacuum of my engine, which is 60-100kPa, then re-plumbed some AFR figures and set it to autotune.
I have it aiming for 14:1 at 80mph cruise and 15.2:1 at 70-75mph cruise. Or something... Everything else is set really lean, except at 100kPa (ie. WOT) where it's set to 13:1
I fitted a new TPS from a Mk3 Golf VR6. It's a bit shite - MS think that closed throttle is 20% open, even after calibration, but it scales well to 100%. I'm using it for acceleration enrichments, which I think I have pretty much sorted.
Overall, I think the car is running a bit lean. But it drives well, and you really have to bounce on the throttle to get it to pop even lightly
Not as fast as the last map, but better MPG for sure. It's no less powerful than when it was on the carbs, and the throttle response is really excellent
Nice. Jelly Roll would be proud.
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jamie
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jamie
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I got back from work early today and took it out for a drive. I had been struggling with my EFI acceleration enrichments settings for weeks, but not driving the car for a while gave me a chance to think things through, and within a few hours I had the problem cornered.
It's a bit raucous, but it's hauling so awesomely I can't even describe it. I hadn't been completely satisfied with the conversion, but now I feel a massive sense of contentment and inner calm
I've done it. Just in time to sell.
I'll do it on the next car, too.
It's a bit raucous, but it's hauling so awesomely I can't even describe it. I hadn't been completely satisfied with the conversion, but now I feel a massive sense of contentment and inner calm
I'll do it on the next car, too.
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jamie
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jamie
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Turns out the original steel number plate panel was a bit more corroded than I had thought. It had also had a tiny patch let-in where I guess the car had been reversed into something. My paint guy said it was worth replacing it.
So I bought an aluminium one. A friend who works nearby dropped it over this evening:

It's shiny. It's surprisingly light. Result
So I bought an aluminium one. A friend who works nearby dropped it over this evening:

It's shiny. It's surprisingly light. Result
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