Autofarm metallic green 2.7 40k!

[Kai]

Hi
I`ve seen a really nice 76 euro 3.0 carrera same colour to autofarms 2.7..but at a very good price! nearly them same spec full history E/S E/W tan interior but better spoiler in my opinion chrome spec too

If you put the car next to each other hard push at a glance to see the difference

I assume the 3.0 would be the better performance and reliablity nearer the SC engines

Now... can someone tell me why autofarm 2.7 at 48k?!

Should I go for the 3.0.... it`s not the 911 I want but it would get me in the right direction to sell on and what would be a good price to sell at?

Any ideas would be well come
thanks
Kai

[willbrown]

That 2.7 on the Autofarm site has the same mechanicals at the 2.7RS (i.e. mechanical fuel injection). Rare car - hence the price!

[Barry]

Yes, short of buying a 2.4S, it's the next closest thing to an RS, so prices have rocketted (sp?) up in the last couple of years. For quite a while they were a 'hot tip' investment wise, with everyone saying what good value they were.

In fact RS prices seem to have driven all 911's of that era up: first the 'S's started leaping up, so the next best thing to an 'S' (itself the next best thing to an RS) is an 'E', which seem to be gaining ground, which will leave the 'T's looking better and better value: something that was raised at the Fairmile last night in fact.

[Bertroex]

Kai,

I'm harping on left right and centre about the carrera 3.o. Mostly to do with ignorance and people believing myths that have nothing to do with a c3. Read my 2417 word translation of the Sport auto test here:

http://www.impactbumpers.com/forum/inde ... topic=3972

Jack Wilson created a website for the c3, listing some contemporary road tests that I send him over.
http://www.wilsonontheweb.co.uk/carrera3.php

Looking at it on paper: the c3 beats the c2.7 in most cases except outline speed. Same torque as 2.7 but at 4200 rpm instead of 5000. Galvanised chassis. less fuel consumption. Bit more plush. Carrera 3.0 supposedly 45 kgs heavier than a carrera 2.7.

(although my car -its a targa, remember, that + 50 kgs compared to the coupe- weighs in at 1113 kg with 8 ltrs of fuel, spare, tools, jack. I seem not too have too much sound insulation as lately my ears start ringing when driving back and forth from Belgium.
But nonetheless: light with an aural delight. )

BUT.... what I am really missing is the raw induction noise.

Compare the C3 :
http://www.wunscholdtimer.de/showvideo. ... arrera.wmv

with the MFI equipped 2.7 911/83 engine (same as in c2.7)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXOCxQ5l5Lo

Obviously ignoring the latter is an RS but it is a good recording.

If it is a case of spending £48000 vs £6500, well.... I suppose you could live with it innit

I can understand it is not the car you aspire, but what is it actually that you want?

Because for what it's worth, the c3 is a fast car, a rare car, a light car, a fairly neutral 911 and a relatively cheap 911 to run. Ah and it is under appreciated.

I would advice you, if it is a good one, to buy it, service it and DRIVE IT. (and it may appreciate in price- if it doesn't it is still the best fun with your pants on)

Best regards,


Bert

[Kai]

That 2.7 on the Autofarm site has the same mechanicals at the 2.7RS (i.e. mechanical fuel injection). Rare car - hence the price!

But do you still think the MFI is worth 38k more then a really good C 3.0?

Had alot to think about and thanks for the feed back from everyone

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[richkaz]

But do you still think the MFI is worth 38k more then a really good C 3.0?

Impossible to say really but I don't agree that because a car is rare its necessarily more valuable.
A 1970's Austin Allegro automatic painted in hearing aid beige is today quite a rare car - but who on earth wants one ! Some cars are rare because they were never that highly rated even when they were new and not many people bought them.
When I was looking for an early 911 I test drove a very nice fuel injected 911E and a couple of carburated 911T's . On a fast winding country road and on dual carraige ways, apart from the gearbox they felt very similar. I am sure driving around a race track against a stop watch the more powerful and more expensive E would be quicker but I prefer the popping and bopping of the big Webers on the T regardless of the cost. Its all a matter of how much you want to spend and how confident you would be of getting £ 38K more when you sell it ( because one day you will ). Lets face it if you liked one you would almost certainly like the other !

[NigelC210]

Its not only the MFI.
The 74/5 Carrera 2.7 has exactly the same 210 bhp 911/83 engine as the 73 RS , together with identical Bilstein suspension.steering, brakes and 915 g'box. Many have been fitted with the ducktail.
It weighs the same as the RS Touring at 1075 kg despite the
impact bumpers. and drives the same too.
For years this model was severely undervalued and largely unknown.
With the stratospheric rise in the RS the Carrera 2.7
has risen substantially during the last year.
The Carrera 3.0 has the 930 engine minus the turbo producing 200 bhp, and electronic fuel injection.

[willbrown]

But do you still think the MFI is worth 38k more then a really good C 3.0?

Impossible to say really but I don't agree that because a car is rare its necessarily more valuable.
A 1970's Austin Allegro automatic painted in hearing aid beige is today quite a rare car - but who on earth wants one ! Some cars are rare because they were never that highly rated even when they were new and not many people bought them.

richkaz - you've taken my comment out of context. It's a rare car in the context of it being mechanically identical to a 2.7RS - which is my point

[Kai]

ok..... but both carrera 2.7 had built 3353 and C3.0 had 3691

so I`m not going to split hairs over what`s rare because you might find out the theirs less C3.0 now!
Although build a tiny bit more at the beginning....
what i`m try to say, how come the 3.0 ain`t commanding silly money too!

Or am I missing something is it desire

[johndglynn]

what i`m try to say, how come the 3.0 ain`t commanding silly money too

If a '73 RS is £125k and rising, then a mint '74 Euro Carrera at less than half that is not silly money IMO. The Carrera 3 is a whole different car.

[911Smonster]

First of all, I think the Autofarm 2.7 Carrera is way over-priced. But then so are RS and 2.4S models at the moment. Relative to those prices it doesn't seem all that bad!

I've owned a Carrera 3.0 and it drove more like a later SC than a 2.7 RS or 2.4S i.e it lacked the excitement and noise of the earlier cars. But it's still a very good car in its own right and certainly better value for money at the moment. But finding a "good" Carrera 3.0 is not that easy. Most are dogs due to their budget prices, often poorly maintained. I would hope that Autofarm 2.7 is immaculate for the price. Remember that restoring a rusty old dog of a Carrera 3.0 could easily cost you £20K+
Thinking about it, you may as well find a good SC or 3.2 Carrera rather than a 3.0 Carrera. They drive pretty much the same and there are a lot more to choose from.

[911Smonster]

I see Autofarm also have a RHD Carrera 3.0 sport on sale for £19500. That's top money too, but you should compare it in the flesh against the one you found presumably cheaper.

[Kai]

Well thanks the replies it`s all very interesting yeh C3.0 are ment to be simular to the Sc

Kai

[911Smonster]

Yep, very similar. There's nothing special about the Carrera 3.0 that distinguishes it from the later SC. Hence the sharp divide in prices after the 2.7 Carrera.

[Bertroex]

There's nothing special about the Carrera 3.0 that distinguishes it from the later SC.

Not quite. 6 bolt flywheel, alu case, magnesium 915 gearbox case, RS crank, and good number of kgs lighter than SC.

That lack of excitement is due to the c3 having k-jetronic instead of the mechanical injection. No induction noise and all that.

I have driven the 180, 188 and 204 SC. Moreover, I have driven the RUF SCR. The SC's are heavier and feel less "brittle".

Ah, and try to find points on an SC.

B